Scar Horcrux - again!

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 157096

Brothergib wrote:
> I still think that LV's snakelike appearance on the back of
Quirrel's head indicates that Nagini was a Horcrux before Godric's
Hollow. LV doesn't look at all snakelike in the chapter 'Lord
Voldemort's request' in HBP, even though the evidence suggests that he
has already made 3 or 4 Horcruxes. So why is he snakelike on Quirrel?

Carol responds:
I agree completely that the explanation must be that Nagini was a
Horcrux before Godric's Hollow--and the lack of reaction by the DEs in
the graveyard to his snakelike appearance indicates that he looks the
way they expected him to look. The previous Horcruxes merely blur his
features almost beyond recognition and make his eyes red. Why would
the next Horcrux make him look snakelike--*un*blurred--unless it was
Nagini?
> 
Brothergib:
> DD states that the reason he thinks that Nagini is a Horcrux is 
because LV has an unnatural control over the snake. However, LV seems
to have considerable control over Nagini before LV even kills Frank 
Bryce. Interestingly, we know this because of Harry's dream at the
beginning of GOF. But is DD aware of this piece of information? Also,
would LV use a piece of soul split when he is a considerably weakened
 state to make a Horcrux!

Carol responds:
Again, I agree completely. Not only is Baby!mort in no condition to
make a Horcrux, but Wormtail, on whom he's completely dependent, would
notice any change in his face or form if he (uncharacteristically)
used the murder or an unimportant Muggle to make one. LV can't take
that risk. And you're right about his control over Nagini preceding
Bryce's murder. DD (who is wrong about LV using Nagini to kill Frank
Bryce) doesn't know about the dream. Harry never tells him about it
because Dumbledore is avoiding eye contact with him and Harry resents
it, not having been told the reason. So, IMO, DD is right about Nagini
being a Horcrux (which will make Harry's inevitable battle with her
all the more interesting), but wrong about the timing because he
doesn't have all the evidence.

Carol, who thinks that LV has all his Horcruxes except the two that
have been destroyed (diary and ring) and that they're as Harry lists
them in HBP: "The locket, the cup, the snake, something of
Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's" (HBP Am. ed. 636)