Scar Horcrux - again!

[Ken Hutchinson]

No: HPFGUIDX 157102

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> Brothergib wrote:
> > I still think that LV's snakelike appearance on the back of
> Quirrel's head indicates that Nagini was a Horcrux before Godric's
> Hollow. LV doesn't look at all snakelike in the chapter 'Lord
> Voldemort's request' in HBP, even though the evidence suggests that he
> has already made 3 or 4 Horcruxes. So why is he snakelike on Quirrel?
> 
> Carol responds:
> I agree completely that the explanation must be that Nagini was a
> Horcrux before Godric's Hollow--and the lack of reaction by the DEs in
> the graveyard to his snakelike appearance indicates that he looks the
> way they expected him to look. The previous Horcruxes merely blur his
> features almost beyond recognition and make his eyes red. Why would
> the next Horcrux make him look snakelike--*un*blurred--unless it was
> Nagini?
> > 

Ken:

I am going to join forces with those who reject the Nagini horcrux
makes LV look snakelike hypothesis. I see no evidence for it, other
than a coincidence that one horcrux *might* be a snake. As others have
mentioned the snakelike trend seemed to start early. Also as others
have mentioned I doubt that the diary horcrux made hime look bookish
or that he had a ring, cup, or locket phase in his devolution.

I think it is more reasonable to assume that he is literally
undergoing a devolution as he makes horcruxes. What does evolution
say? In the beginning was the fish, the fish begat the amphibian, the
amphibian begat the reptile, the reptile begat the dinosaur and the
mammal. If a human, a mammal, were to devolve it would devolve towards
the reptile. There are many reptiles to choose from but a snake is
certainly one and if LV's nature has any influence in the matter a
snake is where he would go. I don't think that the snakelike
appearance says anything about when Nagini became a horcrux, or that
Nagini became a horcrux at all.

The only thing I can recall that *suggests* that Nagini could have had
a connection to LV as far back as GH is that the DE are not surprised
to see her in the graveyard. Of course it could just as well be that
LV was in the habit of keeping snakes about for years. In that case
Nagini would cause no surprise whether she were a new snake or an old
one. 


> Brothergib:
> > DD states that the reason he thinks that Nagini is a Horcrux is 
> because LV has an unnatural control over the snake. However, LV seems
> to have considerable control over Nagini before LV even kills Frank 
> Bryce. Interestingly, we know this because of Harry's dream at the
> beginning of GOF. But is DD aware of this piece of information? Also,
> would LV use a piece of soul split when he is a considerably weakened
>  state to make a Horcrux!
> 
> Carol responds:
> Again, I agree completely. Not only is Baby!mort in no condition to
> make a Horcrux, but Wormtail, on whom he's completely dependent, would
> notice any change in his face or form if he (uncharacteristically)
> used the murder or an unimportant Muggle to make one. LV can't take
> that risk. And you're right about his control over Nagini preceding
> Bryce's murder. DD (who is wrong about LV using Nagini to kill Frank
> Bryce) doesn't know about the dream. Harry never tells him about it
> because Dumbledore is avoiding eye contact with him and Harry resents
> it, not having been told the reason. So, IMO, DD is right about Nagini
> being a Horcrux (which will make Harry's inevitable battle with her
> all the more interesting), but wrong about the timing because he
> doesn't have all the evidence.
> 

Ken:

I'm not sure that I buy the theory that LV looks the same now as just
before GH. His pals are used to his changes in appearance. It isn't
clear if any or how many of them know the reason behind it. LV's
graveyard speach implies that they might, but maybe he's told them
lies about what he is really doing to keep his horcruxes a secret. His
near death and return to physical form is certainly a wrenching
experience. Neither they nor he would necessarily be surprised if LV2
looked a bit different from LV1 on the night of GH.

As Carol points out above we *know* that DD is wrong about LV using
Nagini to kill Frank Bryce. If DD is wrong about the mechanics of
Frank's death he could be wrong about Nagini/horcrux and he may be
stating a falsehood intentionally. Is this a clue he is sending Harry?
 I think it possible that whether Harry is a horcrux or not, Nagini
may not be a horcrux. LV may *still* be intending to make a horcrux
from Harry's death, that would be a partial motivation for telling the
DE to save Harry for him. Another motivation is the desire to
personally vanquish the Chosen One. 

IF you believe that Nagini was made a horcrux *before* GH and if you
also believe that Harry is *not* a horcrux then you are forced to
believe that either LV has only 5 horcruxes now because he intended to
make a horcrux from Harry's death that night at GH or that he has made
one since his rebirth in the graveyard.

Ken