Voldemort killed personally?

spookedook spookedook at yahoo.co.uk
Sat Aug 19 13:24:05 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 157143

Tamara:
Who has Voldemort killed personally [...]?

Hickengruendler:
In chronological Order (as far as I remember):
Moaning Myrtle [...]
His Father Tom Riddle senior and the elder Riddles [...]
Hepzibah Smith [...]
Dorcas Meadows [...]
James and Lily Potter [...]
Maybe Bertha Jorkins [...]
Frank Bryce [...]
Maybe Amelia Bones [...]

Geoff:
Regarding moaning Myrtle, surely the Basilisk killed her,
according to her own testimony in COS.

Eddie:
Using the Priori Incantatem from Harry's duel with Voldemort in Goblet
of Fire as canon we get (in chronological order):
- James Potter
- Lily Potter
- Bertha Jorkins
- Frank Bryce
- Cedric Diggory


Tinktonks:

It is unreliable to use Priori Incantatum as a judge because this
merely tells us which murders LV's WAND was responsible for and only
back as far as the Potters deaths.

Bertha Jorkins MAY have been killed by Wormtail but I think that
the 'you are to kill me too' (probably bad paraphrasing -sorry I'm at
work) shows that it was LV himself.

As for Cedric we know that was Wormtail.

Frank Bryce we know LV killed personally in the fetal form with his
own wand because Harry's 'dream' and Priori Incantatum support this.
(Which also concludes Dumbledore is wrong that LV uses Nagini.)

DD being wrong about using Nagini to kill Frank Bryce opens up an
important question for me though. DD seemingly thinks that Nagini
killed FB on LV's orders, he also thinks that Nagini was made a
Horcrux with FB's murder.

Is this a clue? Is DD's mistake (something that is pretty darn rare)
JKR's way of sneakily telling the reader that you don't need an AK to
create a Horcrux? Even though FB was AK'd (or so it would appear
given the green light although the words were not destinguishable
over the scream) DD does not think he was and still believes it is
possible for a Horcrux to have been made from this murder. I think DD
knows plenty about Horcruxes and it is one of them 'too noble'
things. As he is our authority on the situation I think it is safe to
assume that non AK and non direct murders are still Horcrux friendly.

Maybe Hokey did poison Hepzibah, LV gave her the poison and forced
her to give it to her trusting master. No telltale look of fear, no
struggle just a distraught house elf and a missing secret heirloom. I
would still call this act murder even if it is by proxy.

Anyone else think that this opens an interesting new vista of
opportunities for Horcuxes?

Tinktonks










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