Voldemort killed personally?
littleleahstill
littleleah at handbag.com
Sat Aug 19 17:48:20 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 157145
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tamara" <buffyeton at ...> wrote:
>
> Who has Voldemort killed personally and do we know why for each
one?
>
Leah:
Long reply to a short but interesting question. I was trying to
work this one out the other day, and see if the deaths correlated
with the horcruxes or supposed horcruxes and also which of the
personal victims could be said to have been murdered, as against,
for example, killed in battle. I got to: Tom Riddle Snr; Riddle
grandfather; Riddle grandmother; Lily Potter; Frank Byrce, as the
people we can say with some certainty that VM killed with a personal
AK. That's five.
We are told by Sirius in OOTP that VM killed an Order member by the
name of Dorcas Meadows personally. We know nothing else about the
intriguing Dorcas and I'm surprised that she doesn't seem to crop up
in discussions. We also know from this conversation between Harry
and Sirius that (according to Sirius anyway) VM does not often kill
in person but leaves that to his DEs. Anyway, Dorcas makes six.
There are other deaths which I would call associated with VM. These
are: Moaning Myrtle; Hepzibah Smith; James Potter; Bertha Jorkins;
Cedric Diggory. As to Myrtle, while VM was obviously responsible for
the presence of the basilisk, Myrtle's death does appear not to have
been intended or directed by him- manslaughter rather than murder.
Hepzibah appears to have been poisoned by the innocent agency of her
house-elf; I would term this a personal killing/murder by VM,
particularly as it would have been logical to have made the cup
horcrux with her death. James was certainly killed personally by
VM, but this was a fight, and I wonder if it can therefore be
strictly described as murder. VM says of Bertha in GOF, 'I disposed
of her'. It's not clear whether she succumbed to the attacks on her
memory or was AK'd. Cedric Diggory was killed on VM's orders ("Kill
the spare") by Wormtail. So I would say yes to Hepzibah, Frank, and
James (but James' death might not be classified as murder), no to
Myrtle and Cedric and possible to Bertha. So I get to nine personal
killings, possibly ten.
In HBP, Fudge tells the Prime Minister that it is believed that VM
killed Amelia Bones personally; if true, this would take his total
to 10/11: Tom Riddle Snr, Riddle grandfather, Riddle grandmother,
Hepzibah Smith, Dorcas Meadows (all pre-Godric's Hollow),James
Potter, Lily Potter (Godric's Hollow), Frank
Byrce, ?Bertha Jorkins, ?Amelia Bones (post the return). If RAB
(Regulus?) died as a result of the locket removal, would this count
as murder? Sirius thinks he was killed by DEs.
I then tried to link the deaths with horcruxes. We are told by
Slughorn that murder is necessary to split the soul in order to
form a horcrux. We have the diary, ring and locket horcruxes.
These are objects which link VM with Slytherin. The diary reveals
that he is the Heir, while the ring and locket are Slytherin/Gaunt
heirlooms. It seems logical to me both symbolically and in terms of
timing that VM would use the murders of his despised muggle
ancestors to make these horcruxes. Then there is the cup horcrux.
The logical assumption as already said is that this was made with
the murder of Hepzibah Smith. We don't have a death for the
Ravenclaw horcrux, so I nominate the mysterious Dorcas for that as
the timing fits in.
That takes VM to Godric's Hollow with five murders and five
horcruxes. If the death of James in battle with VM ("your father
died like a man") is not murder, then one murder only occurs at
Godric's Hollow, and it is possible that an accidental horcrux
(Harry's scar) was made with his mother's death- debatable I know,
but it makes sense of the prophecy to me.
This leaves VapourMort one horcrux short of immortality as far as
he's concerned, hence DD's view that on VM's return he makes Nagini
a horcrux, with Frank's death. Again, some problems with this..
Interestingly, as VM has not made a deliberate horcrux with the
death of Lily, one would have thought his Vapoursoul would have been
already split into two- why use an insignificant muggle when the
mother of the Chosen One has already contributed. This would
suggest to me that either the accidental horcrux theory is correct
and VM no longer has Lily's murder to work with, (and hasn't worked
out why) or intriguingly, DD was wrong, and Nagini was horcruxed
with Lily's death.
However, on his return to `human' form, VM is outraged to learn that
the diary horcrux has been destroyed. Shucks, one down again. If we
assume he has `used' Lily and Frank and that he did not murder
Bertha personally, he needs another death- is this the purpose of
Amelia's murder- has he made another horcrux?
If we take the three Riddles, Hepzibah, Dorcas and Frank as murders
and put James and Bertha in the no pile, then VM has split his soul
six times, leaving himself with a seventh soul bit. But if we
include Lily's death that is seven splits. If we include Amelia
that is eight splits, leaving VM with a ninth soul bit- another
interesting number.
Leah
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