[HPforGrownups] Re: Lupin vs Snape (was Lupin and "Severus")

[fair wynn]

No: HPFGUIDX 157196


>
> > > Pippin:
> > > > As for the lesson to be learned, how about 'terrorism does not
>pay'?
> > > > Could  that be what JKR wants Lupin to teach her daughter? Is one
> > > > of the 'good lessons'  Lupin gives that even kind and clever people
> > > > can be caught in the web of someone like Voldemort unless they
> > > > cultivate the moral courage to resist?
> > >
> > > Renee:
> > > That would be teaching by bad example.
> >
> > Pippin:
> > Which JKR loves to do. We see a lot more bad teachers in the books
> > than good ones, a lot more unhappy families than happy ones.
> >
>Renee:
>I notice that you snip the text of the JKR quote that shows this
>interpretation of it (teaching by example) is much less plausible from
>a grammatical point of view than the obvious one of acting as a
>schoolteacher.
>
>(BTW, the way JKR speaks about Lupin remains one of the most important
>argument, if not *the* most important one, why I don't believe in
>ESE!Lupin. The theory is highly ingenious, and the point that could be
>made with it is worth making, but if I look at all JKRs Lupin quotes,
>I know it's not going to happen.)
>
>Renee
>
wynnleaf
Just to re-play the quote

" If you had to choose one teacher from your books to teach your child, who 
would it be and why?"
J.K. Rowling responds: "It would be Professor Lupin, because he is kind, 
clever, and gives very interesting lessons."

Please correct me if there's another quote you're thinking of, although 
there is one where JKR mentions that she created Lupin to be the kind of 
teacher she would want.

However, this really doesn't make Lupin in any way an all-round great guy.  
It's perfectly possible to be an excellent teacher, and still be a traitor.

Personally, I think if Lupin is a traitor, he's a conflicted traitor.  JKR 
has said also that Lupin really did like Lily for instance.  I think this 
makes a big difference in the kind of traitor he could be.  Yes, he could be 
a nice and kind person, who was originally trying to do the "right thing," 
but made the mistake of following the wrong person, and can't bring himself 
to (like Snape) return to the good side.

Notice this quote:

"Lupin's a wonderful teacher and a very nice man but he has a failing and 
his failing is that he does like to be liked and that's where he slips up 
because he has been disliked so often that he's always so pleased to have 
friends so he cuts them and awful lot of slack."

Obviously it's very possible to be a "wonderful teacher and a very nice 
man," and still have a major weakness.  We already know his big weakness 
caused him to at the very least deceive Dumbledore for 9 months at the cost 
of (as far as anyone knew) putting every child in Hogwarts at risk from a 
crazed murderer.  How much further a step would it be for this "wonderful 
teacher and very nice man" to be lead by his weaknesses to cut too much 
slack to his friends in the werewolf community?

I don't think this is too far a stretch for a great teacher and nice man to 
believably be this kind of traitor, especially if it happened due to the 
very weaknesses that JKR has said that Lupin exhibits.

wynnleaf

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