ACID POPS and Teenager Draco/ some LOLLIPOPS

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No: HPFGUIDX 157516

Neri:
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> I don't see that Snape gets similar treatment from JKR in any of 
the
> books. In that sense he is a secondary character, like Dumbledore 
or
> Sirius. His character serves the story rather than the story serves
> the character. If Snape indeed has a SHIP, either LOLLIPOPS or ACID
> POPS or any other, it will likely be a plot device and/or because 
of
> thematic reasons of the story.
> 
> And I suspect it's going to detract from the energy and intensity 
of
> the story if the "central relationship" is between the hero and a
> secondary character. We've seen it in OotP, when what was supposed 
to
> be the driving relationship emotionally was the one between Harry 
and
> Sirius, and at least personally I think it never quite worked. I
> accepted as an axiom that Harry feels so strongly for Sirius, but I
> never felt it myself, and ultimately this was because Sirius was a
> secondary character, with his development mainly enslaved to the 
needs
> of the plot. It would have been very different if Ron or Hermione 
had
> died.
> 
> Romantic stories are indeed usually based on a relationship between
> two central characters, but I don't think HP is primarily a 
romantic
> story. In Good vs Evil stories the hero is usually left alone 
against
> that evil overlord, at most with the help of a sidekick or two that
> don't outshine him. His journey is an internal one, to find his own
> choices and powers within himself. JKR said more than once that she
> killed every grownup Harry could count on for this reason exactly 
(in
> this sense Lupin's detachment was necessary to save his life, 
which I
> see as a sign that JKR means him to survive). So I don't think that
> the Harry-Snape relationship will be *central* (although certainly
> important) and therefore I estimate that LOLLIPOPS will not 
happen, at
> least not with any version of DDM!Snape. I do suspect that Snape 
will
> save Harry's life, but not because he's DDM and not because of
> LOLLIPOPS.    
> 


Alla:

Neri and Sydney and Ma, as always I read this debate with great 
interest :), but I just want to interject the general comment, which 
I already made in the past and even though it is literally painful 
for me to make it, I will do it again :)

Neri, I would LOVE for you to be right, I think it is a great 
possibility that Snape and Harry relationship is not a central 
enough relationship to the story, but I am afraid that I have to say 
that IMO it is one of the central relationships ( no I disagree that 
this is as central as Sydney seems to imply, I'd still say that it 
is quite possible that all great Snape mysteries will be neatly tied 
in one "that's it?" moment, but I think it is central enough even 
opnly plot wise, because in a sense it is all started from Snape, as 
in him starting the circle of giving the prophecy to Voldemort and 
thus starting Harry's pain and misery IMO, therefore IMO it is very 
plausible that Snape will end that too ( in a sense of doing 
something to help Harry - NO, that does not mean that I believe that 
Snape is DD!M, I just think that whether Snape is good, bad or 
indifferent, he will do something of use to Harry at the end)

Neri, I think that LID!Snape is perfectly possible, but I think I 
asked you earlier and don't remember the answer. :) Does it work 
with LOLLIPOPS at all or not?

You seem to be saying that LOLLIPOPS are not going to happen at all, 
do you think it is possible to mash it with LID Snape or not?

Because as I said in the past, yes, unfortunately I believe that 
LOLLIPOPS in one form or another **are** coming.

As somebody else wrote ( don't remember who. Magpie?)  I find the 
silence from Snape on the subject of Lily to be more and more 
deafening.

I have no problem buying that Snape hates Harry, so since he had no 
problem hurting him over and over again with calling James' 
names,why wouldn't he do it the same with Lily?

I find it very peculiar, frankly.

Now, I am still hoping that we wil find out that Snapey love was one 
sided and obsessive, sort of stalking Lily, because Snape dreaming 
of lily "long mane of red hair" as I also mentioned before makes me 
very ill, but yes my second bet is that in one form or another 
LOLLIPOS are coming.

Maybe I am lucky enough and JKR will just do them being friends. :)

We already know that Remus loved Lily ( thank goodness he was not 
competing for her with James), now all we need is that Snape and 
Sirius was in love with Lily.

Oh, and of course prank happened because Sirius was jealous that 
Lily went on a study date with Snape instead of him (joke :))

Yuck, please no :)

Alla, who agrees with Neri that Snape and Narcissa can be easily 
postulated from canon, but who unfortunately does not find them 
dramatic enough either.

Who also apologises if her post is not coherent enough - too late 
hour to do so.