ACID POPS and Teenager Draco - Motivation?/Re: CHAPDISC:HBP19,Elf Tails

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 157562

> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > Sorry but your wrong, or at least as wrong as I am. 
> 
> Magpie:
> No, these two versions of events are in no way equal.  Mine is 
based 
> backed up by things that are said in the text.  Yours takes that 
> information, sweeps it aside, and then proceeds to make stuff up 
> that's not referenced anywhere.  That's what gives my version more 
> weight.

Alla:

Sorry, but to me they **are** equal. Till the series end it does not 
really matter to me whether the theory is based on more facts in 
canon or less facts in canon, as long as theory is based on 
**something** which is presented in canon. For the record I am much 
more convinced by your version, but it really has nothing to do with 
the argument that your theory has more canonical back up, it is just 
I think you present stronger argument, that is all. Steve's argument 
also arrived from canon, although with a bit more extrapolation IMO. 
Draco learns about Vanishing cabinets, Draco is craving glory from 
being in Voldemort's service. Really, from these two **canonical** 
events to me there is not a long road to travel to Draco going to 
Voldemort with this information. Canon does not mention it true, 
**but** nowhere in canon I see the mentioning of Snape loving Lily 
for example and I see **plenty** of possible hints that Snape loved 
Narcissa in Spinner End. Am I a little bit convinced that Snape 
loved Narcissa? Not at all. I mean I would love that to be true, but 
I am betting on Snape and Lily **precisely** for the silence of 
canon.

To go back to your canonical support of Voldemort being angry at 
Lucius. Um, yes he is angry, but for all I know, everything that had 
been said at Spinner End can turned to be a lie, no? It is called 
**Spinner End**, so who knows what lies had been spinned there, IMO.

What I am trying to say is that it is possible that this canon 
support can dissappear in book 7, no?

 
> Magpie:
> No, it's not fair interpretation of canon, since the core of it is 
> made up of important scenes, events and decisions never referenced 
> anywhere in the actual book.  The fact that Draco figured out that 
> if fixed the Cabinets provide a secret entrance into Hogwarts in 
no 
> way means the reader gets to put events together any way we 
please.  

Alla:

I think that the reader gets to put the events together any way the 
reader pleases as long as the reader can present coherent argument, 
IMHO. Otherwise, there would be no possible way that Snape the 
killer of Dumbledore could have turned out to be Dumbledore's most 
faithful servant for example, because as far as I can remember 
nowhere in canon it is actually **said** that Snape killed 
Dumbledore on his orders for example. There are scenes that had been 
**interpreted** as clues, extrapolated to the place I would not have 
ever **imagine** they could be taken and I respect these arguments.

Readers filled the gaps, that is IMHO perfectly valid way to argue ( 
in fact IMO there is **no** wrong way to argue here), but quite 
frankly Draco going to Voldemort with the plan seems to me to be 
much lesser assumption than Snape as Dumbledore man.


Magpie:
> There is nothing that says that Draco took this idea to Voldemort 
> and then Voldemort turned it around on Draco--and there's plenty 
of 
> places where that should be if it occurred. 

Alla:

Where? Where are the places that it should have been? And who gets 
to decide that? For all we know it occurred behind the scenes and we 
may never get the confirmation that it really occurred.

For example James and Lily thrice defied Voldemort, I will not be 
surprised if we never actually learn how they did it.

 
IMHO,

Alla.