What Came First: Task or Cabinet? - The Plan v1 & v2

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 157673

---  "horridporrid03" <horridporrid03 at ...> wrote:
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> 
> Betsy Hp:
> But this theory isn't a backstory.  It goes right to 
> the heart of the Draco mystery.  What is he doing and 
> why? Canon tells us one thing: he's trying to kill 
> Dumbledore on Voldemort's orders, the cabinets is the 
> method he came up with.  Steven's speculation is 
> completely different and, if true, requires a completely 
> different summing up moment.  ...


bboyminn:

No, my speculation isn't completely different, my 
speculation is exactly that 'he's trying to kill Dumbledore 
on Voldemort's orders, the cabinets is the method he came 
up with'. Just not in that order.


> Betsy Hp continues:
> It needs the action in book 7 to come to a screeching 
> halt while Draco explains that *he* actually sought out 
> *Voldemort*. ...
> 

bboyminn:

Once again...no. From the point in both suggested scenarios,
where Voldemort assigns Draco that task of killing Dumbledore, 
the story and the next book play out the same either way. It
is purely your speculation that the current book or the next
will or will need to play out differently.

> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Basically you're asking us to put equal weight to the 
> "cabinet came first" theory ... as to what we're told 
> in the books by a character in the books.  ...
> 
> ...
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> ... It's only this "cabinet came first" theory that has 
> caused various readers to decide that Narcissa is lying, 
> mistaken, guessing, etc.  Narcissa herself seems pretty 
> sure of what is going on.
> 
> ... 
> 
> Betsy Hp
>

bboyminn:

Again...no. Your argument is completely flawed, because no 
one is doubting that Voldemort gave Draco the task because 
he was angry at Lucius. I never said that wasn't the story. 
I never denied Voldemort's anger. I only denied that it was 
exclusively based in the Diary. Canon gives little support 
to that idea. In fact I repeatedly said that was definitely 
the story. What I have said is that it is not the /whole 
story/.

Some how we have to get Voldemort and Draco into a room 
together, I speculate a pretty convincing way for them to 
come together. A way for them to come together that has 
plenty of clues in canon and a thin but viable timeline.

In your way, as I said before, it is nothing but 'Bring me
Draco. Draco, your dad is an ass, now kill Dumbledore or
die trying'. That is the most ridiculous, worthless, and
pointless time wasting plan that has occurred so far. 

If Voldemort wanted to 'punish' Draco there many more 
effective ways than sending him on a pointless resource
wasting mission to do the impossible. He could inprison 
him. He could torture him. He could outright kill him. 
If that is all there is to the plan, then there is nothing.

However, if Voldemort becomes aware of a means of entering
Hogwarts by stealth, then we have the perfect seed upon 
which all other things can be built.

You don't have to believe that, but you do have to argue fair.
In this post, you are assigning aspects to my theory that
simply don't exist, and are making assumptions and assertions
that simply don't exits. In your other post, you hopelessly 
warped the timeline to suit your needs by assigning actions 
to a few months when they actually took a few weeks. 

I still say the position you are arguing in just as filled
with speculation and interpretation as mine is. The difference
is that with my version, we actually have a reason for Voldie
and Draco to come together, and we actually have a coherent
plan with some strategic value.

I have no problem with you not agreeing with me, but please,
when you argue, don't let your enthusiasm warp your facts.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn