What Came First: Task or Cabinet? - The Plan v1 & v2/Bigotry or Not?

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No: HPFGUIDX 157691

> Magpie:
< HUGE SNIP>
 In this version 
> neither of those things set events in motion.  On the contrary, 
> Draco is was seeking petty revenge from the safety of a child's 
> position.  He didn't want to be the man, he wanted to be the clever 
> child manipulating grown-ups into taking revenge for him.  In the 
> case of Draco's story it's even more important because Draco isn't 
> the Quest hero in this book, his story is all about a personal 
> change and emotional development.  

Alla:

Yes, of course Draco's story is about a personal change and emotional 
development, or I should correct myself and say that I hope it is 
about change, because it may just as well be Draco choosing Voldemort 
side in the end IMO, but this is I guess besides the point here. But 
Steve seems to agree with it and does not cross out any of it, IMO.

I am just not understanding how Draco wanting to be a man dissappears 
from "cabinet came first" addition to the story. It is not like we 
can say for sure what **exactly** Draco views as being a man, no?

I mean we sure see one thing that Draco absolutely views being in 
Voldemort's service as exactly that **being a man**. For all I know 
** being a man** means bringing cabinet plan to Voldemort's attention 
and accepting whatever mission Voldemort gives him afterwards. It is 
not like they are mutually exclusive, IMO.

As I said, I buy Voldemort being completely irrational and executing 
this crasy plan just because he can, not because Draco brought 
anything to his attention, but I buy it for mostly metathinking 
reasons, not because anything in the way story developed prevented 
Draco from going to Voldemort, in fact Draco on the train sounds to 
me as exactly Draco who would have enough audacity and arrogance to 
go to Voldemort and offer him that.

Steve:
> I base my theory, and yes it is only a theory, on what is 
> already printed in the books; the story as it has /already/
> played out. I see it as a logical and reasonable prelude to 
> the timeline that begins on the printed page. And deny that
> it alters the existing story in any way. 

Alla:

Heee, I agree with that Steve, it is plausible.

Steve:
Further if you do
> not accept it, you are left with the 'Draco, your father is
> an ass. Now kill Dumbledore or die trying' idea, and I find
> that irrational beyond even Voldemort.

Alla:

Here we differ, I actually find this plan to be one of the 
Voldemort's most sane plans, actually much more sane than the earlier 
mentioned GoF and him trying to make Harry go in the MoM, instead of 
going and getting prophecy himself. I just want to say that I found 
your summary to be hysterically funny.

Steve: 
> My theory brings Voldemort and Draco together. I suspect
> Draco thought he would pass the Cabinet information to 
> Voldemort and gain the bragging rights of having personally
> helped the Dark Lord. But Voldemort has deeper, darker, and
> more desperate ideas, and so begins the start of the printed
> page. 

Alla:

Yeah, sounds reasonable for me.
 

JMO,

Alla