[HPforGrownups] Dumbledore's plans in HBP again WAS: Re: Cohesion

[elfundeb]

No: HPFGUIDX 162297

Alla:

Are you sure that Weasleys would have understood? That is if
Dumbledore would have told him the truth of why Ron died. Not -
fighting the fight against Voldemort and his minions. **That** - I
am pretty sure Weasleys would have been devastated, but understood.
After all if parents joined that fight, they could hardly expect the
kids to not learn their values and join the fight as well.

But if Ron would have died because Dumbledore wanted to teach Draco
Malfoy who he is and whom he wants to become. That is why their
child could have died.

I have my doubts about Weasleys being understanding.

I have even more doubts about Katie's parents being very
understanding, whom we don't even know AFAIK where they stand at all.


Debbie:
Pippin's excellent response has largely answered this point, but I'll add
that even though Draco may have already committed the crime of conspiracy to
murder Dumbledore before the necklace incident, Dumbledore's only evidence
of the crime is hearsay provided to him by Snape.  Both because it's
inadmissible and because Snape's cover would be blown, he can't use Snape to
get the authorities to arrest Draco anyway.  In any event, it's not like he
could subpoena Voldemort to provide testimony to support Draco's
conviction.  (Narcissa's knowledge is probably also hearsay, unless she was
present when Voldemort assigned Draco his task.)

As a result, Dumbledore's only real option was to keep an eye on Draco,
which Snape was tasked to do.  In light of this, and the fact that
Dumbledore, not the students, was the target, I don't see what anyone could
have done to protect Katie from the Imperius Curse.  Or Ron, for that
matter.  Even if Draco had been arrested, he could still have Imperiused
Rosmerta to deliver the poisoned mead.

Alla:
So, if that was a calculated risk, IMHO Dumbledore took into
equasion the lives of those he had no right to gamble with.

Debbie:
No school of any kind is 100% safe.  Parents who send their kids to Hogwarts
should know that (except the Muggleborn parents), and they are taking a
calculated gamble.  They also know there's a war on, and they should know
that children of suspected DEs go there, that some of those children might
engage in DE activities and that their own children might be recruited.
There are dangers at Hogwarts, and parents take gambles when they send their
kids there.  They are also relying on the excellent medical services
provided by Madam Pomfrey, which seems to protect most kids from lasting
consequences.  Ron might not have had enough time to get to her, but I'll
bet she knew enough to use a bezoar.


> Pippin:
> But that *is* the fight against Voldemort. The freedom to decide
> who you are and what you want to be is what Voldemort wants to take
> away from people. If the wizarding world decides it's not worth
> fighting for, then Voldemort wins.

a_svirn:
And what does fighting Voldemort have to do with wanting to save
Draco's immortal soul?
Debbie:
Because Draco is the key to taking the Malfoys out of action.  Voldemort
would be deprived of a key, influential supporter, and any monetary support
that goes along with it.  And because Draco is a student who can be saved
from becoming a murderer.  Dumbledore's objectives as headmaster and his
objectives as leader of the Order are one and the same.

Debbie


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