Dobby and some Snape/ Dumbledore's plans in HBP LONG

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > Huh? Oh, I suppose if we will take the assumption of Snape's 
good 
> > intentions as canon, then I can see your analogy somehow. 
Dobby's 
> > good intentions **are** canon though, Snape's are not IMO.
> 
> Pippin:
> Dobby's good intentions didn't become unambiguous until 
> **after** he'd almost gotten Harry expelled, launched the 
> flying car fiasco, and broken Harry's arm. Canon suggested
> that he might be acting on Lucius or Draco's orders.

Alla:

I meant that as of today Dobby's good intentions are clear, while 
Snape's are not ( to me of course). As of today Dobby's good 
intentios are canon, IMO.


 
> > Alla:
> 
> > Oh, and I guess if we were to compare them after all Dobby wins, 
> > because as Sherry said in GoF and another books Dobby does help 
> > without hurting Harry, something which Snape is else to 
demonstrate 
> > ( that is if he was doing things to help in the first place)
> 
> Pippin:
> Huh? How did Snape saving Harry from Quirrell's curse hurt him?

Alla:

That did not hurt Harry of course, but I meant that Snape hurt Harry 
before saving his life in a variety of ways.
 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > I forgot  that Lucius start the curse in the book, I thought 
that 
> > was in the movie only. I thought that in the book Lucius 
advances at 
> > Harry,  but does not curse him yet? 
> 
> Pippin:
<SNIP of the quote>, go UPTHREAD to read it.
> So he advances on Harry, is thrown back, and then
> draws his wand. 

Alla:

Thanks, so I did forgotten that. Dobby saved Harry yes, good for him.

 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > And did anybody ask Ron and Katie whether they wish to give up 
their 
> > lives in order for Malfoy to understand that signing up for 
killing 
> > Headmaster is a stupid thing to do?
> 
> Pippin:
> They were at the closing feast in GoF, no?
> 
> They were told that they needed to unite in friendship 
> and trust or Voldemort would defeat them, and that the choice 
> that was before Cedric might come before them. That doing 
> what was right instead of what was easy might mean that 
> they would die. 
> 
> Dumbledore's counsel, like the counsel of Gandalf, was not 
> based on foreknowledge of safety for himself or for others. It was
> based on the idea that some things are worth dying for.

Alla: 
Pippin, let me repeat my question - where during the closing feast  
in GoF Dumbledore gave his students a choice whether they are ready 
and willing to die for Draco Malfoy? Not die standing up to 
Voldemort with their comrades, but die saving Draco Malfoy - the one 
who tries to kill their Headmaster. Of course Dumbledore did not 
know that would have come, but if he did not know, how could these 
words be interpreted that way? Sorry, not buying this argument. 
Unless I see it in big bold letters - guys, would you like to die to 
save Malfoy's soul?  I am pretty sure that Dumbledore never said 
something to that effect. 

Amiable Dorsai:
 <SNIP>

If Dumbledore can turn Draco, Voldemort loses an important source of
ready cash, the Death Eaters lose some security...

...and Kreacher loses his mind.

Alla:

Awwwww, I would agree with any action that makes Kreacher lose his 
mind, you got me here Amiable Dorsai. So, if Malfoys are turned in 
book 7 ( which is a possibility, yes) and that leads to Kreacher 
losing his mind, I promise to get off Dumbledore's back ;)

Alla, who feels for Dumbledore in the cave big time and wants to  
believe Jen Reese idea that Dumbledore in the cave was feeling 
remorse for what he put his students through, but who is not holding 
her breath.