JKR and the boys (and girls)/Harry, Draco and bathroom

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No: HPFGUIDX 162366

> Magpie:
> Well, I have actually read the books and I still don't get this
> death threat Draco's supposedly making. What Draco does is to say
> that the Dark Lord's back and predict that he will be after Harry
> and his friends--having already killed Cedric.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, that is the death threat I am interpreting as such.


Magpie:
In this scene his saying
> vile things gets him attacked physically, which isn't self-defense.
> Draco's awful in the scene, but it seems like the death threat only
> pops into existance as an attempt to find a way the other kids are
> defending their lives by hexing the Slytherins intead of just
hexing
> them out of anger and dislike.

Alla:

By the same token I can say that Draco making a death threat is
getting downplayed to get him off the hook. I interpret this scene as
sooo much more than just hexing Draco and his goons out of anger and
dislike. Yes, there are no wands yet as we discussed earlier, but
narrator describes them as more menacing than ever - I can totally
see Harry after being tortured, his ears ringling intepreting this as
threat as well.

I mean, this is of course speculation, but what **else** Malfoy and
his goons came to their appartment but to start a fight? When Malfoy
is alone he barely does that, but when there are three of them - that
usually means that he is feeling braver, no?

>> Magpie:
> In his universe, Draco's not even exceptionally bad.<SNIP>

Alla:

Really? I am sorry, but I do not remember another kid in school
actively participating in assasination. That to me counts as pretty
bad one, worse than a great deal of Hogwarts students.

Magpie:
Pre-HBP it
> wasn't uncommon for people to claim anyone who thought he was
> redeemable (or would be important) wasn't listening closely to the
> author. (I also don't think that any of JKR's words about Snape
> indicate that he can't DDM or have loved Lily.) The author's words
> can be ambiguous--just as canon often begs for multiple viewpoints
> on scenes.

Alla:

Very true that is. I was one of them and could not imagine Draco's
redemption in my wildest dreams.



> Magpie:
> I meant losing control emotionally. I didn't mean he always had
the
> upper hand in the fight. Meaning, Harry doesn't lose it and
> intentionally hurt Malfoy through his own anger or rage. He just
> chooses this spell to stop Malfoy's--and suddenly the bathroom's
> covered in blood. I think when Harry loses more control in that
> direction he's the one throwing Crucios, as he does at Snape. In
> this scene, to me, it seems like Malfoy's the one emotionally
undone.

Alla:

Thanks for clarifying - I still don't think that we can separate
clearly whether Harry lost emotional control or just physical one.

JMO,

Alla who knows that Magpie read the books and loves talking to her
about them. :)