LV's Wand question
justcarol67
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Tue Dec 5 17:02:12 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 162409
Carol earlier:
> >
> > I don't think, however, that he had a wand with him, either his
own or Voldemort's, when he transformed into a rat and disappeared
after killing the twelve Muggles. Otherwise, he would have had a wand
with him and been able to defend himself in the Shrieking Shack. I
conjecture that he hid Voldemort's wand
>
> Pippin:
> I agree with the conjecture that Pettigrew didn't have Voldemort's
wand with him in the Shrieking Shack. He had to use Lupin's dropped
wand to stun Ron. But did he have time to retrieve Voldemort's wand
> afterwards?
>
> If he was so frightened his old friends would find him that he had
to scurry to powerless, bodiless Voldemort for protection, would he
have dared to turn aside and get the wand first? If he'd been found
with Voldemort's wand and robes on him, it would scarcely have
mattered that Sirius wasn't around to explain about the secret keeper
switch.
>
> Also, I wonder about "It's him! Go! Run! I'll hold him off!" which
> Harry overhears in the dementor memory. Whoever 'him' is,
> it can't have been Pettigrew, because surely James and Lily weren't
> expecting an attack from him. It could have been Voldemort.
> But would James really have said he could hold Voldemort off?"
Carol responds:
If you go upthread, you'll see that I agree that "him" refers to
Voldemort, who appeared to James to be alone. He didn't see Peter
because Peter was hiding in rat form. Here's what I actually worte:
"Since there's no evidence that James saw anyone except Voldemort at
Godric's Hollow ("He's here! Take Harry and run!") I conjecture that
Wormtail was present in rat form so James and Lily couldn't see him.
After they were dead, he could have transformed back, grabbed the
wand, and Disapparated."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/162360
"He," of course, refers to Wormtail. And, yes, I think that James
(whom we know to have had a high opinion of his duelling skills) did
think he could hold Voldemort off long enough for Lily to run oout of
the house and Disapparate with Harry, or Disapparate on the spot if
there was no anti-disapparation jinx on the house). I don't think even
James expected to survive the battle despite having "thrice defied"
voldemort, but he certainly expected or at least hoped to delay him.
And he succeeded--Voldemort says that he fought bravely. No doubt LV
wanted a bit of a challenge before he killed James, if only so that,
in his own mind, the death wouldn't qualify as a soul-splitting murder.
I also think that, yes, Peter could have Apparated to Godric's Hollow
after the Shrieking Shack incident, retrieved the hidden wand, and
transformed again to a rat, carrying the transfigured wand with him to
wherever he found Vapor!mort. Otherwise, his having Voldemort's wand
in GoF is inexplicable. (Unless we resort to ESE!Lupin, but I'm
talking about within the context of what currently appears to be
canon--one person named Wormtail who happens to be a rat Animagus.)
Carol, hoping that this response clears up any misconceptions raised
by her earlier post
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