The Train Scene GoF/ Hero vs Anti-Hero/Draco, Ginny, & Tom, oh my!

[dumbledore11214]

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> > >>Alla:
> > I find this truly amasing. Refer me to some canon for muggle 
borns 
> > threatening the lifes of pure bloods, please? Not what they 
> > **think** but what muggle borns tell to them.
> > Hermione threatening Draco or something like that? Because I 
> > remember quite the opposite happening so far.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Oh, it's not there of course.  But fear is what all bigotry is 
based 
> on.  And the WW is built around fear of Muggles.  It seems like 
most 
> of their laws are based around keeping their very existance 
hidden.  
> So when Hermione brings her parents right into the heart of the 
> British WW (Diagon Alley) that could be seen as threatening.
<SNIP>

Alla:

I thought you were comparing Draco's actions to what muggleborns 
supposedly do or what purebloodists think?

When Hermione brings her parents to Diagon Alley, she does not say 
that "purebloods will be next to go" and if she did say that, I would 
honestly understand the response similar to what Trio did.

I mean the parallel is a bit removed IMO or I would say a lot removed.



 
> Betsy Hp:
<SNIP>> But here's the thing, Clint in "Unforgiven" plays an anti-
hero.  
> Quentin Tarantino is pretty committed to telling stories about the 
> anti-hero as well.  And Harry?  Even on his bad days, Harry is a 
pure 
> hero.  Nothing "anti" about him.  That's why he's no good at 
throwing 
> a Crucio; that's probably why he's not all that good at Occlumency.
> 
> So that's why it doesn't sit right with me that Harry and Ron and 
> Hermione and Fred and George shoot Draco and Crabbe and Goyle, 
while 
> those three haven't drawn their weapons, haven't even started to 
draw 
> their weapons, and don't even realize that two of their attackers 
> (the attackers that are two years older than them, of course) are 
> sneaking up behind them.  It's beneath "hero" behavior.  And, as 
per 
> the Sorting Hat anyway, it's not very Gryffindor-ish of them. 

Alla:

I am going to try to remove myself from this thread ( cannot promise, 
but will honestly try), because I am starting to feel, well as I 
always start to feel when I discuss that scene :) and I do not like 
when I feel that way.

but I just want to say it again - they did not attack in concert, it 
just so happened that the spells were fired off together. They did 
not conspired all to attack poor Draco - it is just all of them 
thought about it simultaneously. That again to me just strengthens 
the thought that they all felt threatened.

I do not consider fear for their friend and especially being 
threatened by the son of those who watched your torture to be beneath 
hero behaviour. That is just me of course. 



> Betsy Hp:
> Just as Draco was eager to be of use to the great Dark Lord, Ginny 
> eagerly poured her heart out to dear Tom.  Both Ginny and Draco 
were 
> mistaken in their trust of Voldemort, both Ginny and Draco tried to 
> get around him, both failed to seek out help, and both nearly 
brought 
> about the death of fellow students.
> 
> I really do think there's a parallel there. (Though it seems to me 
> JKR is using Draco's experience as a chance to explore Draco's 
> character and show some growth on his part.  Too bad she didn't do 
> something similar on page with Ginny.)

Alla:

Yes, they both poured their hearts, true. The only difference is that 
Ginny was pouring her heart to the unknown boy in the diary, and 
Draco was eager to serve the Lord Voldemort. To me the difference is 
huge. Ginny was seeking friendship from the penpal and Draco was 
ready to serve the maniac.

Alla,

who at the moment would be doing a happy dance if Draco drops dead on 
the first pages of book 7, but who knows that this is not going to 
happen unfortunately.