The Train Scene GoF/ Hero vs Anti-Hero/Draco, Ginny, & Tom, oh my!

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No: HPFGUIDX 162493

wynnleaf:
<SNIP>
> Remember how terrible Draco was to Harry on the train in HBP?  Why, 
he
> shouldn't have felt threatened by Harry at all, right?  After all,
> Harry was just hiding in his train compartment eavesdropping -- 
Harry
> wasn't really a threat.  What had he ever done to Draco??  (hmm)  So
> Draco froze Harry and kicked him (which is worse - to kick someone
> who's unconscious, or frozen? - I don't know).  And then Draco left
> him there and went on to Hogwarts.  And this shows us how mean and
> evil Draco is, right???


Alla:

Um, yes, staying away for too long did not work out for me :)

Harry invaded Slytherins' privacy, he did not belong in their 
apartment, just as Draco and his goons did not belong in Gryffs' 
apartment and while I understand why Harry was there from his POV ( 
investigation of bad guys is worth the risk to me), I totally, 
totally understand Darco's reaction here. I think I am being 
perfectly consistent in evaluating these scenes.

Of course breaking Harry's nose does show to me that Draco is capable 
of a lot of harm. And Harry was quiet – not insulting them, but of 
course he was spying so he should have been quiet.


> Pippin:
> Right. Two adult wizards were stalking three teenagers  and 
attacked 
> them from behind because they, the adults, felt threatened. 

Alla:

Huh? Who was stalking three teenagers? Draco and Co came to them.

Pippin: 
> The Trio, who took down a mountain troll at the age of eleven and
> Severus Snape at the age of thirteen, including Harry Potter who 
> stood, straight-backed and proud against Voldemort,  felt 
> intimidated by a menacing look? 

Alla:

Harry had just been through Graveyard. You may find it hard to 
believe that he would be intimidated by the son of Lucius Malfoy and 
sometimes I would agree with you. I submit this was not the usual 
time.

 Pippin:
> Our heroes had every right to be insulted, and Draco was wrong and
> foolish to provoke them, but let's not pretend they thought this
> was a serious attempt by the Death Eaters to do them in. 
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Alla:

Just to make one moment clear - I do not pretend anything here, this 
how I honestly see this scene.

And not necessarily the immediate attempt to do them in of course - 
but the threat that is coming this second, tomorrow or in a month.

I submit that Trio and of course not Harry was not in the state of 
mind to calculate when this threat is coming, just that they saw red 
in their minds and reacted accordingly.

I am not saying that it was full self-defense, just that they indeed 
saw the threat in their minds.

That is in my view of course.