Sirius, Snape and werewolf incident/ Quote from PoA.

[wynnleaf]

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> Alla:
> 
> How is this relevant to the argument that Sirius wanted Snape to die? 
> Yes, he thinks Snape deserves the prank, he does not say that Snape 
> deserved to die.

wynnleaf
By the time he was an adult, only an idiot would not have realized
that playing that prank on Snape equated to risking his death.  Sirius
continuing to affirm the rightness of the prank, also affirms that he,
at least in retrospect, is glad he almost got Snape killed and that
Snape deserved to be sent into the waiting jaws of the werewolf.  

If Sirius thought that as an adult, it seems most likely that he also
thought it as an "irresponsible" teen.

Alla,
> 
> Whether or not he should have been aware that prank could have 
> resulted in Snape death after the fact does not tell me anything 
> about his state of mind when Prank occurred.

> So, yes, I think that Sirius wanting Snape to die has no canon 
> support, but of course we can learn the opposite in book 7.

wynnleaf

When someone tricks another person into something that most sensible
people (even a teenager) would see as life threatening, the evidence
leans a great deal more to the notion that they intended the person's
life to be at risk rather than that they did not.  So the fact that we
have no canon evidence that Sirius did *not* mean for Snape to die is
more suggestive than that we have no statement contemporaneous to the
event that he *intended* death.  In other words, there's no evidence
to refute the more obvious conclusion, that Sirius sending Snape into
the path of a werewolf meant he intended him to die.  It is the more
obvious conclusion because in general, sending someone out to meet a
werewolf should be an obviously life threatening move to make.  The
possibility that the person did it ignorant of the danger, or
inconsiderate of the danger, is less likely, because the danger was
too clear.

> > wynnleaf
> > Problems with this possibility.  How would we ever discover this in 
> > Book 7?  Apparently the Marauders thought that Snape was just 
> > snooping to get them expelled, so Lupin isn't going to reveal some 
> > extra knowledge about Snape's intentions.  That means that if Snape 
> > really intended to kill Lupin, no one knows, but him.  I don't see 
> > Snape as the type of character to -- like Voldemort -- make some 
> > long incriminating speech about how way-back-when he tried to kill 
> > Lupin/werewolf.  I tend to think if we can't invision how JKR would 
> > reveal something, we have to assume it didn't happen.  But I'm sure 
> > you'll think of something....
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Why does he need to make long speeches? Of course he does not make 
> long ones, but shout something revealing during confrontation with 
> Lupin, let's say? Why not?
> 
> Something similar to **you and your filthy father** during his 
> confrontation with Harry, something like - I should have killed you 
> long time ago, werewolf, when Lupin, let's say catches Snape as 
> prisoner and Harry is present. I totally see it as possibility.

wynnleaf,
Saying "I should have killed you a long time ago" does not in anyway
mean that Snape actually *did* try to kill Lupin, or that he wanted to
try during the prank.  The kind of speech we'd have to hear is
something like, "too bad I didn't get to kill you back when we were in
school.  Remember that prank Sirius played?  I knew you were a
werewolf all along and I just went down there trying to kill you, but
James pulled me back and I never got the chance."  Yeah, that's more
of a speech.  Only villians who like to explain everything do that,
and even if Snape were a thorough-going villian, I don't think he's
the "explains all" type.

>  
> >> wynnleaf
> <SNIP>
> But if his purpose had been to kill Lupin, then his real 
> > feeling wouldn't be "oh damn, my enemy saved my life!" but 
> > instead, "Foiled again!  That idiot James messed up my perfect plan 
> > to kill Lupin.  I had this great spell that kill werewolves.  I 
> > didn't need to be 'saved.'  I just needed a chance at a good 
> shot."  
> > There's no way, if Snape felt he could have killed the werewolf 
> > himself - and even wanted to do so -- that he'd feel he owed his 
> > life to James.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> How do we know hat in addition to ""my enemy saved my life"" he does 
> not feel "foiled again"?
> 
wynnleaf
Perhaps you're not getting it.  James pulled Snape back out of the
tunnel.  If Snape had already had a chance to try to kill Lupin, but
had failed, then he'd have already been right at the jaws of the
werewolf.  Lupin said Snape only saw him in the tunnel.  If James came
and found Snape firing off powerful werewolf-killing types of curses,
I'm sure that Lupin and Sirius would have heard about it.  

The thing is this, if Snape thought he was going to kill Lupin, then
he wouldn't think James saved his life.  In fact, if Snape had any
hope (or even thought he had a chance) of killing Lupin, he wouldn't
consider James' action to be life-saving -- he'd just think of it as
getting in the way.  Snape would not consider his life to have been
saved, therefore there'd have been no life debt.

wynnleaf
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