ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey? (WAS: DDM!Snape the definition)

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No: HPFGUIDX 162571

> Alla:
> 
> I think he is planning to stick with whatever side advances his 
goals more 
> and if none - ditch them both, therefore I don't see UV as being in 
conflict 
> with that.
> 
> Magpie:
> Isn't it?  It puts his life in danger--unless dying doesn't stand 
in the way 
> of advancing his goals. It also locks him into a certain act--what 
if 
> circumstances changed so that fulfilling the Vow would make one 
side reject 
> him? It seems like "stick with whichever side advances your goals 
or ditch 
> them both" gets back to that original problem that this guy needs 
to have 
> some wiggle room to move between sides or ditch.

Alla:

Yes, true, I should rephrase myself - I think that UV may fit with 
his goals whatever that is and this goal would take priority over any 
side for Snape.



> Magpie:
> I can see what you mean. Which is why I should probably make clear 
that for 
> me, an important aspect to the whole DDM Snape thing is that I 
don't have a 
> defense for the murder. I think the next book will explain the 
murder in 
> some way that does fit it in with Snape being DDM, but it's a total 
unknown. 
> I've no idea how JKR can do it--which, if she is planning to do 
that, is 
> good for her. It's just I think we could get something that 
explains what 
> Snape did in some way that makes him still DDM (and fits Dumbledore 
too). 
> Just as presumably if I believed ESE!Snape I'd assume that the next 
book 
> would explain things like why Snape brought the Order to the MoM.

Alla:

Can I just say again how much I love your posts? Can I? Because even 
when I am disagreeing with you, it is rather, I don't know - close 
disagreement of the sorts.

So, if you do not have defense for murder, would it be fair to say 
that you simply believe that Snape is DD!M because of his past deeds?

That what you already saw Snape doing makes your faith in him being 
DD!M strong enough that you expect the murder to be explained but do 
not have an explanation yet?



 
> Magpie:
> I personally don't see DDM as being about Dumbledore actually 
ordering Snape 
> to kill him either--I can't see him ordering Snape to kill anyone 
that way. <SNIP>
 I can't see Dumbledore's plan ever being, "Okay, then you kill 
> me..."  It seems like Dumbledore's supposed to be dying all year. 
Dumbledore 
> wouldn't, imo, make a plan that included murder or suicide. They 
both seem 
> pretty anti-Dumbledoreness as I see it so far.


Alla:

Yes, precisely. I know that you are not into speculation much, but do 
you have anything in mind? Just curious.