Harry and Draco WAS: Re: The Train Scene GoF / Draco's Crying (long)

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Magpie:
> Harry is not misinterpreting this aspect of Draco, but it's not an 
all or 
> nothing thing. Especially in this universe you can get one part of 
a person 
> without getting another part. <SNIP> Understanding that Draco is a 
bigot is 
> probably as difficult as understanding that he's got an English 
accent or 
> blond hair. But it's not understanding him completely. I know you 
have said 
> in the past, understandably, that given that surface bit why 
should Harry 
> have any interest in finding out about anything deeper? That's how 
Harry 
> feels--but I think it has still left him open to 
misinterpretations that 
> have had a negative effect on Harry's life.
 
>
> Magpie:
> I do think he misinterpreted him, and that he was completely 
unable to even 
> begin to do otherwise given his experience of life.  What Harry 
associates 
> with Draco most of all, what makes him hate him, is that as far as 
Harry is 
> concerned, Draco thinks he's all that and he pushes Harry's own 
buttons of 
> insecurity even when objectively Harry shouldn't be bothered so 
much by him. 
> When Harry has bad dreams about Malfoy, Malfoy is usually laughing 
at him.
> 
> The Harry-filter is always working hard when it comes to that 
character. But 
> as I said elsewhere recently, the Harry-filter isn't about making 
things up, 
> it just looks at things in a way that isn't objective. Harry 
doesn't make up 
> the things that Draco does that Harry thinks are bad, like calling 
people 
> names and supporting Voldemort and provoking him. But I still 
don't think he 
> sees him very realistically. He projects a lot of stuff onto him 
imo. So 
> much that I think it's genuinely shocking to him to see him in 
position that 
> he can't slot into either Draco being an insufferable git or Draco 
being 
> rightfully taken down a peg but remaining an insufferable git.
<SNIP>


Alla:

I  squashed these two quotes in here and cut a lot of staff in 
between since IMO you are contradicting yourself. I think that not 
seeing Draco's whole personality if such exists and misinterpreting 
what he sees ( even this is only part of his whole personality, and 
as always I cringe when I write that :)) are two very different 
things.

Let's concentrate on their first encounter, let's assume that for 
the sake of the argument I agree that Draco wants to be friends 
here. We do agree right, that Draco is insulting to Muggleborns in 
his speech, whether he wants to provoke Harry or not? ( I think he 
totally does, but let's assume I agree he is not)

So, what is the misinterpretation from Harry filter here? I mean he 
may not see the whole picture, true - as in not to see what Draco 
**really wants**, but he sees Draco beliefs and he rejects them. 
Where is the misinterpretation? I think it is a spot on objective 
evaluation, personally.

Whether Draco makes Harry insecure or not, Harry sees that Draco 
thinks of Muggleborn witches and wizards as inferior to purebloods. 
Do you think Harry is wrong here and Draco really does not think so?

It does not strike me as you do, so what is Harry misinterpreting 
from what he sees, not what he cannot see in Draco's head whatever 
is in there?

I mean, if Harry misinterprets Draco as he is all that, this is not 
that had been shown to him as the opposite, no?


Alla.