Lily's Eyes

[abergoat]

No: HPFGUIDX 162627

Sarah wrote:

> We don't know why Voldemort
> ordered Lily to stand aside, but we do know she disobeyed a direct
> order from him.  He wasn't heard to utter the incantation, but it
> seems he doesn't need one seeing by the number of times Harry has felt
> himself magically compelled to obey a spoken order from Voldemort.
> I'd even venture that Tom was developing his own version of the
> Imperius curse before learning he was a wizard (Amy Benson and Dennis
> Bishop, and "TELL THE TRUTH!" to Dumbledore).

Abergoat writes:

I'm (way) late to respond but the items you mention are excellent
support for the imperius idea.

Sarah wrote:

> I don't know.  Whatever is important about Lily's eyes, is something
> she presumably shares with Harry.  Harry is crap at Occlumency and
> always will be because his personality just isn't suited for it. 

Abergoat writes:

The thing is Lily could be horrible a Occlumency (or not know how, or
even care to learn) but this doesn't affect her ability to help Snape
learn Occlumency in the slightest. Snape simply needed a Legilimens to
attempt to invade his mind so he could try to repel it, that's it.
Lily could have been just as poor at Occlumency has Harry but still
have been a useful partner.


Sarah wrote:
> Sirius thought Lupin was
> the spy, and the Potters must have agreed with him or they wouldn't
> have chosen Peter as the Secret-Keeper.  I know what the movie says,
> but I think it's in conflict with the book.  If Lily saw some super
> secret specialness in Lupin, why go along with a plan that pretty much
> presumes Lupin is the spy?

Abergoat writes:

I know that Lily agreed to use Peter, but somehow I'm suspicious about
how the suggestion was put to her. Sirius believed Lupin was a spy, we
don't really know what James and Lily thought. I'll admit, I question
whether Peter Pettigrew, the seriously underestimated friend, didn't
cast imperius to help Sirius think of his 'clever plan'. And Peter
might have used imperius on James to have him agree. James would want
to trust Peter so it wouldn't be that hard...and we have evidence that
James can be influenced by Sirius. Lily is the only person we've seen
with true, steadfast, strength of character. She might not have
questioned the switch to Peter, since she too wanted to trust him.

Abergoat