Is Draco a bully? WAS: Re: The Train Scene GoF / Some mention of Grey Snape

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> > >>bboyminn:
> > What we are doing now is dancing around the definition of
> > 'bully'. What you seem to be implying is that a 'bully'
> > is someone who DOES hit you.
> > <snip>
>
> Betsy Hp:
> I've not meant to be dancing. I'm trying to be very clear. When
it
> comes to Harry, Draco is not a bully. He cannot be. It's not a
> question of the *type* of threat poised. It's a question of *can*
a
> threat be poised.
>
> Draco Malfoy cannot threaten Harry Potter. Harry is too popular,
too
> well-connected, too wealthy, and too athletic to be threatened by
> Draco. Ergo, Draco cannot play the role of "bully" in their
scenes.
>
> Draco *tries* to play the bully. Or, to be more accurate, Draco
> tries to rebalance the scales. He tries to pull himself on a
level
> equal to or above Harry. But he fails. Every single time. <SNIP>


Alla:

Erm... No, sorry. In your view he may not be a bully, in my - he is
one and very clear bully at that.

Bullies come in all shapes or forms and sometimes bullies who just
talk can hurt you just as badly IMO.

And Harry is more popular, more well connected, etc is something I
could never understand and still don't.

Draco's father, not Harry's is able to buy or blackmail anybody
under the moon and at least temporarily to throw Dumbledore out of
Hogwarts.

Draco's father is able of getting into the best graces of Minister
of Magic no less and to make sure that Buckbeak is going to be
executed, etc.

Draco's social connections is in my view so much higher than Harry
ever will be.

Somebody some time ago said something that I totally support -

Harry may be a celebrity, but he is **not** popular, he never was,
never will be. IMO of course.

The fact that people want to know more about celebrity does not mean
that they like him or want to be friends with them, etc. Harry has
very limited amount of friends, the ones who cherish and love him as
a person - that does not equal good social connections in my view.

ETA:
Jen: 
<SNIP>
Killing Dumbledore cost him everything because he made it so. 
> Choosing to save Harry and Draco and get the DE's out of Hogwarts 
> could have even been Snape's way of making up for his huge blunder 
> taking the UV and having to kill Dumbledore in the first place.  
<SNIP of the whole post>

Alla:
Hmmmm, Jen I find your Grey Snape more and more yummy ;) Golden 
words "Killing Dumbledore cost him everything because he made it so"
Unless we learn that Voldemort somehow forced Snape to make the UV, 
I will continue to hold him and only him responsible for doing 
that,  and accordingly hope that if he is any variety of decent 
human being (HAHA) he will pay for his stupidity.


Again IMO.

Alla, who digs any variety of OFH!Snape and Greyish and still has 
tiny hope for Evil one.