ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey? (WAS: DDM!Snape the definition)

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> wynnleaf
> Yet Harry *did* find himself in the position of agreeing to do
> whatever Dumbledore said regardless of how much it endangered
> Dumbledore.  He found himself having to obey that promise even 
though
> it included pouring liquids down Dumbledore's throat that could 
have
> killed him.  So Harry, Gold Standard for DD's Man that you think he
> is, *still* could agree to actions that could kill Dumbledore.  And
> make no mistake, Harry *knew* he was pouring something terrible 
down
> Dumbledore's throat.  

Alla:

Terrible, yes. One could hardly watch DD in the cave and not see 
that this potion was terrible. Deadly? Could you refer me to canon 
where Harry thinks that DD is dying before the Tower? He is getting 
sick, yes, but dying? I am not sure I remember that and that makes a 
difference for me.


> wynnleaf
> You speak as though the choice to "save Harry and Draco and get the
> DE's out of Hogwarts" was something within Snape's grasp, and did 
not
> need to include Dumbledore's death. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

I have more respect of Snape's fighting abilities.

wynnleaf:
 But there was no way to remove
> Harry and Draco without highly significant risk of death *unless* 
he
> AK'd Dumbledore first and allowed the DE's to think he was on their
> side.  The alternative was a fire-fight of spells on the tower 
while
> Harry was completely vulnerable and Draco -- well, we don't even 
know
> which side Draco might have fired on, if any. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

Oh, I don't know. It seems as Neri argued earlier that Snape is 
alone on the tower because he chose to be so. He does not call for 
help, he does not deal with barrier, etc, etc. So if Snape is good 
and he chose to arrive alone and we assume that there was no master 
plan, I would say that yeah, he is probably able of dealing with 
several DE IMO.


wynnleaf:
 And then Snape could
> easily end up dead, alongside Dumbledore and Harry.  But hey, so 
what?
>  At least Snape wouldn't have killed Dumbledore!  Is that really 
*all*
> that mattered on the tower?  All the good guys as die, as long as
> Snape doesn't AK Dumbledore, it was a good decision? <SNIP>

Alla:

Snape or Dumbledore? Not difficult choice for me. Snape would have 
brought all of that upon himself IMO by taking the UV in the first 
place.

As to Harry and Draco, well if Snape is that concerned with their 
wellfare and he came to tower alone, as I said above I am guessing 
that he had some confidence in his abilities.