Blown!Snape

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 162680


> Neri:
> So, according to this plan, if Draco decides to assassinate 
> Dumbledore already in November, he is of course expected to fail, 
> then say Dumbledore arranges for Draco and Narcissa to be "killed" 
> and hidden away. How does Snape then explain to Bella and Voldemort 
> that the assassination had failed, Draco is dead, and yet Snape is 
> still alive?

Pippin:
Draco isn't supposed to make any attempts until he's managed to get
DE's into the castle, which DD thinks is impossible. IMO, they expected
Draco to realize this eventually and turn to Snape for aid. Then
Snape could 'assassinate' Dumbledore, Draco and his mother could
be 'killed' by the vengeful Order *after* DD 'died', (Voldemort would
expect this since the Malfoys were so closely associated with Snape)
and it would look to Bella and Voldemort as though Snape fulfilled 
all the terms of the vow. He watched over Draco as he attempted
to carry out the Dark Lord's wishes, he protected Draco to the
best of his ability (too bad it wasn't enough) and in so far as it 
was necessary, if it  seemed Draco would fail, he carried out the 
task. What's to explain?

 > > Neri:
> > > In fact, think about all this from Narcissa's point of view: she 
> found that her dear Lucius is in Azkaban and wrongly accused 
by the Dark Lord because he was in effect stabbed in the back by 
Severus  Snape,
> > 
> > Pippin:
> > Well, that  disposes of your theory that Snape shouldn't feel
> > any great responsibility for what happened...<g>
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> No, it doesn't. You are mixing two different kinds of responsibility 
> from two different points of views and in different moralities. 
 
> Here, I'll present you with a simpler example: Harry is not morally 
> responsible, from his point of view, for putting Lucius in Azkaban. 
> They were enemies in a war, they fought and Lucius lost. But this 
> hardly prevents Narcissa from wanting revenge on Harry for that very 
> deed. 

Pippin:
But Harry thinks Lucius deserves to be in Azkaban. I bet you
he would feel guilty if he thought an innocent person was there 
for something that Harry had done, even if Harry had nothing
to do with fingering the innocent person. 

> Neri:
> Narcissa is Kreacher's contact woman (it must be her because she's a 
> Black), Kreacher is a key agent in Voldemort's plan in OotP, and 
> timing is crucial to the success of this plan. How realistic it is 
> that Narcissa wouldn't be able to contact Voldemort immediately? 

Pippin:
They don't live in a world of instantaneous secure communications.
They just don't. Score one for Muggle technology over magic. If
Voldemort was so easy to get hold of, the Ministry would've
tracked him down by now.

Look at it this way, Narcissa knows that the Order has already
left for the Ministry and that Dumbledore will be arriving at
Order HQ any minute. Voldemort has never been willing to take 
Dumbledore on, so she has no reason to expect he'd show up,
at the Ministry of Magic, no less, to save anyone's bacon even
if she can reach him in time. 

It's too late for her to save Lucius's mission. OTOH, she has a very
valuable piece of information about Snape. But how to use it?
If Lucius survives, he'll be in Azkaban and safer there under the
Ministry's rule than under Voldemort's. Hmmmm.

Bart (162670)

I'm not so sure that all of them are the ones who know that Snape alerted the
Order. Without looking back, the only ones who I believe we KNOW knew who
alerted the Order are Snape, Harry, Dumbledore, and at least one of the rest
(excluding Kreacher), and if it was only Sirius, he's not going to be telling
anybody anyhow.

Pippin:
The text plus JKR's comments indicates that Snape used his patronus
to contact the Order. That means anyone who saw the message come in
would know it was from Snape, regardless of whether they actually heard
it. (How does that work anyway? Some how I can't imagine a patronus
talking.)

Pippin