[HPforGrownups] Re: The UV (was ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey?)

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>Nikkalmati said:

I am much more with Julie and Debbie here and I  believe in DDM!Snape. I 
have said before, and I stick with it, that SS did  not have a clue what 
Draco's task was before he took the vow. (No one else  seems willing to 
jump on the bandwagon, however). SS wanted and needed to  know that 
information and promising to protect Draco was a small price to  pay.

>Magpie:
If he needed that information why didn't he just let  Narcissa tell it to him 
like she was going to before he himself jumped in  and said, "Don't tell me?"
 
Nikkalmati:
 
Because Bella was there.  SS was taken by surprise by the visit and he  
didn't know what Bella was doing there.  Cissy was obviously very upset and  he 
didn't want her to get reported to LV as a  traitor.  (Why he cares  about her or 
Draco or Lucius, we don't know, but it must play into his  motivation).  He 
also wanted to appear before Bella to be a loyal DE.   [Of course, one must 
never go against the wishes of the Dark Lord!]  That  protects himself too.  He 
then turns away and thinks things over while  gazing out the window.  He 
figures out how he can handle this and declares  "I already know all about it."  
Witness shock on the part of Bella.   This lie protects Cissy, she is not a 
traitor if LV has already told  Snape.  It also makes him appear to be not only a 
loyal DE, but a favorite  of LV.  In that short time he must have decided there 
was little chance  that Bella was going to report the meeting to LV and, of 
course, after Bella  helps with the UV, she cannot report them without 
betraying herself too.   Regardless, of whether SS knows the plan, they are all 
thwarting LV in his  attempt to destroy Draco. 
 
It is also not clear that Cissy knows exactly what Draco is supposed to do  
either- only that it is likely to be outright fatal or unsuccessful and  
therefore fatal.

>Nikki:
>There is a question as to when DD and  SS figured out exactly what SS 
promised to do. It must have become clear by  the time Katie Bell was 
cursed.

>Magpie:
>So the vow really  was completely useless. Why did Snape take it if he still 
had to figure out  what Draco's task was by just hanging around school and 
waiting to see what  Draco did? If he'd only not taken the vow he would have 
gotten his  information without putting his and Dumbledore's life in danger.
 
Nikkalmati:
 
SS's plan was that with a recommendation from Cissy, Draco would confide in  
him willingly.  It appears that Bella interfered and convinced Draco that  
Snape was not on Draco's side.  "you are out to take my glory" is probably  her 
idea.  We see that Draco will not even come to Snape's office to talk  to him 
and that he has learned Occlumency, presumably to use against  Snape.  Snape 
never did learn what Draco's plan was by hanging around the  school and there 
was no way to predict that Draco would partially tip his hand  by attempting 
murder.  Clearly, SS and DD never got the information they  needed or they would 
not have been taken by surprise on the tower.  Yes,  the vow Snape intended to 
take - to protect Draco- has so far been  useless.  The additional vow - to 
do the deed- was a disaster.
 
Nikkalmati




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