Grey!Snape and Character Growth (was:Voldemort's Plan for Snape & the Ring...

[a_svirn]

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>>Betsy Hp:
> I see Draco's statement as very fuzzy as far as truthfulness goes
> because he refers to Fenrir as a "family friend", which is an
> impossibility. There's no way a family as stuck on blood purity
as
> the Malfoys are is going to befriend a creature with a blood
> disease. Draco is exaggerating, as Draco is wont to do.

a_svirn:
You forget that "family" is how Voldemort refers to his death 
eaters. 

> Betsy Hp:
> Both Alla and a_svirn are making the mistake (IMO <g>) of thinking
> that Draco should realize he's in a novel. We, the reader, can
> expect a heavily foreshadowed character like Fenrir to show up
again
> (especially at a school given the limited background we've
learned).
> But Draco is supposed to assume that out of several nameless Death
> Eaters he knows (that we've never met since we've not sat on
Draco's
> shoulder during the entirety of his life as he's met and/or heard
of
> several possible Death Eaters) that the mad werewolf is going to
be
> the one sent?
>
> Sorry, but that's stretching it, IMO. To show that Draco's
surprise
> is fake, you'll need to show a tell that hints as such at the time
he
> expresses his surprise. That Draco know Fenrir exists, works for
> Voldemort from time to time, and is scary isn't enough.

a_svirn:
Talk about stretching! Where do you see surprise? All Draco shows is
disgust. And while other death eaters are indeed nameless, Fenrir
Grayback has a name, and that's the one name Draco is quick enough
to mention.


> > >>a_svirn:
I said he stooped to murder, but we all know very well that
> > he wasn't successful. Or, as Dumbledore said, he was "lucky".
Which
> > actually means that his victims were lucky.
>
> Betsy Hp:
> I'm still confused. Who did Draco murder, that we can say he
stooped
> to murder?

a_svirn:
When someone attempts murder we can say that he or she stoops to it,
can we not?

> Betsy Hp:
What lucky victim of Draco's desire to murder are you
> referring to here?

a_svirn:
I don't believe I said anything about Draco's desires. It's only his
intentions I feel qualified to discuss.

> Betsy Hp:
Because as far as I've read, Draco had the
> opportunity to murder one person, Dumbledore. And he chose not to
do
> so.

a_svirn:
On the contrary, he chose to do so at least three times. When he
sent the necklace, when he sent the mead, and when he let the death
eaters in.


> > >>a_svirn:
That's what makes Draco such a poor soldier for any cause,
> > Voldemort's or Dumbledore's alike. He has no objection to
murdering
> > people so long that he doesn't have to do or witness
actual
> > killing. Poisoning, plotting and planning for others to do the
job –
> > that's more in his line.
>
> Betsy Hp:
> But he still couldn't do it.

a_svirn:
Yes, he could. And did. His "lucky victims" survived, but not thanks
to him.

> Betsy Hp:
I'm not getting this line of argument
> a_svirn. To be a murderer you have to kill. If Draco is
> uncomfortable with killing than he's uncomfortable with murder.

a_svirn:
I don't dispute that. He might have been uncomfortable, but he still
proceeded with his plans.