The Cabinet Plan...again (was:Re: The UV (was ESE, DDM, OFH, or Grey?)

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 162854

> > >>a_svirn:
> > Well, it's either that, or Dumbledore is lying. Because Draco 
did 
> > attempt murder. And it is possible to be a murderer without 
doing 
> > actual killing, you know. If I hired you to kill a noisy 
neighbour 
> > of mine, I'd be guilty of murder even if you were the one who 
did  
> > actual work.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> If someone actually died, yes of course.  

a_svirn:
Even if nobody died I'd still be capable of murder. (Although such 
outcome would suggest that you are probably not capable of killing).

> Betsy Hp:
Just as, if we accept that 
> Draco is indeed a murderer (in his heart, I guess?) 

a_svirn:
You are the one who insists on regarding murder it as a matter of 
heart. I only say that Draco intended, planed and executed murder. 
He was unsuccessful, not that's hardly an excuse.   

> Betsy Hp:
then so is 
> Dumbledore, since he knowingly and willingly allowed an assassin 
into 
> his school.  And while this does make for an interesting legal and 
> philosophical discussion, I just don't think this is where JKR 
wants 
> her readers to go.

a_svirn:
I can't help but go there. Because Dumbledore did allow an assassin 
into his school. That's how he ended up dead.


> > >>a_svirn:
> > I feel increasingly like Shylock now, because I just don't get 
this
> > Christian Mercy bit. What do you think Dumbledore is offering 
Draco
> > then? Absolution? It's not his to offer, even from Christian 
point 
> > of view. He could and did offer forgiveness, but that's not the 
same
> > thing as mercy. To offer mercy you'd need to be in a position to 
do
> > so. Rowling tells us that Dumbledore is no Christ, so he couldn't
> > offer Draco salvation by atoning vicariously for his sins. 
Besides,
> > what sins? He just called Draco an innocent a few moments ago.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> I don't think Dumbledore is supposed to literally be Christ in the 
> Tower scene, but I think there are recognizable echoes.  A 
layering 
> if you will.  The mercy Dumbledore offers is a chance for Draco to 
> realize his own true nature.  And Dumbledore *can* offer that.  
He's 
> the only person in a position to atually offer Draco the 
opportunity.

a_svirn:
But if Draco is already not a killer, why he is need of this kind of 
mercy? Nothing wrong with his nature, as far as Dumbledore 
concerned, all that is needed is to provide for his safety. And that 
of his family. Which is exactly what Dumbledore offered, by the way.