[HPforGrownups] HP&theDH Title: People, Places, and Thing

[Janette]

No: HPFGUIDX 163125

Steve/bboyminn:
>
> We have been speculating for a few days on the nature of
> one particular word in the title of the new book. Perhaps
> we could take a systematic approach and explore the
> possibilities of each of the possible catagories. Though
> I am quite sure we will never actually resolve it.
>
> I think that should be enought Intro that key words are
> not likely to appear in the summary, so to the point.
>
> I think we can agree that 'Deathly Hallows' is a noun;
> meaning people, places, and things.
>
> Let' start with -
>
> THINGS-
>
> Well the obvious 'things' is the Horcruxes, they are
> certainly tied nicely to 'Deathly', which as has been
> noted several times, is quite different than 'deadly'. The
> are objects that are certainly critical to the next and
> final book. Perhaps the simplest answer really is the
> simplest answer.
>
> Other 'things' could be Objects of Power. Objects of Power
> are not all that uncommon in fantasy. It is possible the
> Harry will have to gather Objects of Power as a means of
> gathering strength or perhaps unique power to defeat
> Voldemort. So, in this sense, he is gather object of Good
> Power.
>
> It is possible that the /objects/ are objects of Bad Power.
> That is, they are objects the Voldemort will gather to aid
> himself. In this case, 'deathly' takes on much more
> significants.
>
> It is possible that the 'things' are a combination. That
> is the Objects of Power may be objects of power
> specifically of the four founders of Hogwarts. The
> previous books imply that Voldemort selected object that
> were already magically powerful, apparently thinking that
> magical power would add to the power of his Horcruxes.
> So, perhaps in gathering the Objects of Power of the four
> Founders, he will also have to gather at least some of
> the Horcruxes.
>
> I like this idea because gathering all the Horcruxes seems
> like such an impossible task. So, perhaps as I have long
> suspected, Harry will not find all the Horcruxes, but he
> will find the critical key Horcruxes. So, having these
> Objects of Power will override, or perhaps overpower, not
> having all the Horcruxes. In a sense, in this scenario,
> needing to destroy all the Horcruxes is something of a Red
> Herring.
>
> If you can think of any additional ways that 'things'
> could be applied, please add them.
>
> PEOPLE-
>
> I think in this case we need to be careful not to take
> the 'Saints' aspect of 'hallow' to much to heart. It
> really mean venerated or revered people, which saints
> certainly are. Yet, I don't think 'saints' literally works
> in the wizard world.
>
> Some have specualated Harry will gather his own army of
> undead, but of venerated/good undead. Somehow, he will
> draw on the power of substantail revered by probably dead
> people in the wizard world.
>
> Some people have speculated that Harry will call on the
> power of ghosts or spirit; either the Hogwarts
> ghost/spirits or the spirits of the Founders. In a sense,
> in gathering the Founders Objects of Power, he is in
> essense calling on the spirits of the spirits of the
> founders themselves. This could also tie together the
> idea of uniting the Houses.
>
> Part of what I am trying to say is that I think we need
> to come up with non-religious more secular applications
> of the word 'Hallows'. The 'saintly', 'holy', 'sacred'
> aspect is certainly valid and undeniable, but as I said,
> applied in a more secular fashion.
>
> Other have speculated that it could be an organization
> in the wizard world. Perhaps the SS branch of the Death
> Eaters. Some have speculated it could be a group working
> for the side of good, though I personally  doubt that. It
> seems we have the good guys and bad guys already nicely
> divided up, so I don't see the need for any new secret
> organizations to be added.
>
> Still, if you can think of any way to apply 'people' to
> 'Deathly Hallows', please feel free to add them. I'm
> trying to get all the ideas we've had so far in one place.
>
> PLACES -
>
> 'Hallowed Ground' usually refers to the location of great
> historical battles, and/or the resulting graveyards. In
> most cases, graveyards in general are considered
> 'hallowed ground'. I suspect if there is hallowed ground
> associated with Godrics Hollow, it is more likely
> associated with the graveyard where Harry's parents are
> buried.
>
> Though, others have speculated it might be the location
> of what I will now call 'the Battle of Godrics Hollow' in
> which Harry's parents died. Certainly that was important,
> but I'm not sure it is significant enough to be considered
> 'hallowed'. Still, it did result in the Boy Who Lived,
> and who is also the one person with the potential to
> defeat Voldemort, so we can't discount its significants
> all together.
>
> Since the title is 'hallowS' meaning more than one, can
> anyone think of away of tying several Hallowed places
> into the story?
>
> Please, my goal here is to try and gather all the ideas
> we have so far into one thread. If you have more ideas,
> or variations in any of these catagories, or if you want
> to expand on an existing idea, please do so, but do so
> by catagory (people, places, things) to help us keep
> track.


montims:
I still like the idea of it being dates - the Eve of All Hallows
(Hallowe'en) when Harry's destiny started, and the Eve of All Hallows when
the prophecy is fulfilled one way or another...


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