Regressed Harry and DD

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 163172

> Magpie:
> I suspect one of the good things about HBP (and DH in the future) 
is that 
> Harry won't be learnng to trust DD but to think like DD in ways 
that are an 
> improvement to his own thinking.With Draco, for instance, Harry 
didn't learn 
> that DD was right to trust him, exactly. What he saw was probably 
just more 
> what DD saw in Draco--so now that will affect the way Harry deals 
with 
> Draco. That will I suspect be an advantage, one that Harry would 
not have 
> had DD had handled Draco the way Harry (understandably) wanted him 
to.
> 
> But of course, DD also learned that Harry was right about Draco in 
ways DD 
> was mistaken. So it's more a case of both of them seeing that they 
don't 
> know everything, and learning from experience rather than just 
learning to 
> always listen to Harry or Snape. <SNIP> 

Alla:

Oh, sure, sure I can go with that. Harry seeing Draco first hand 
etc, and sure there are things that Harry can learn from DD, etc. I 
can totally see that. I am taking an issue with the extreme degree 
of this argument as I perceive it - Harry just **has to** respect 
Dumbledore, I guess no matter how many times Dumbledore screwed und 
wronged Harry, willingly or not. There are **things** Harry can 
respect about Dumbledore and just as you said vice versa is true to.



> Magpie:
> I've got to go with Carol on this one. I think that whether or not 
it's 
> right or wrong for Snape to deal with Neville the way he does is a 
different 
> question than how badly Neville reacts to it (though it is an 
interesting 
> question --would we as readers object to it as much if Neville 
were 
> tougher--or if Neville were less likable?).
<SNIP>
<SNIP>But I get 
> the feeling Neville's third year Boggart is more funny than a sign 
of real 
> damage on Neville's part, and that rather than putting Snape on 
the level of 
> Harry's Dementor!Boggart it's showing the difference between the 
imagined 
> fears of a more normal kid like Neville and Harry since he's come 
to 
> Hogwarts.
> 


Alla:

Yes, we ( meaning me) as reader would totally object to it, no 
matter how likable Neville would have been :) . And, sigh, it is so 
pains me to say in response to you that we are in irreconciable 
differences territory, but I am afraid I have to. I see the boggart 
as personification of the real and very bad damage done to Neville. 
Which is not to say that Bella is horrible ( although in line of HBP 
and possible ESE!Snape, that remains to be seen as well), but again 
if Bella is many times worse, it absolutely does not mean to me that 
danger of Snape is imaginary one.

Maybe Neville indeed overcame that danger, albeit as I said till I 
see Neville new boggart, I will reserve the judgment, but I would 
never call Snape deeds imaginary danger.

IMO of course

Alla