DD and Snape /Re: Regressed Harry

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 163203


> Alla:
> 
> Um, I thought you said that Dumbledore cannot threaten Snape, 
> because his wounds run too deep. That what I was questioning. I 
> thought that should make Dumbledore in your view treat Snape more 
> gently, regardless of what suffering he causes to the kids. That was 
> not what you were arguing? Could you clarify, please?
> 

Pippin:
I wasn't arguing that Dumbledore had to be gentle with Snape
because Snape is so fragile, if that's what you mean. I meant
that Snape just doesn't have it in him to be kind and respectful 
any more than  Harry had it in him to be kind and respectful
with Ron and Hermione when they were (he thought)
flaunting their freedom in front of him in OOP. They didn't
really deserve to have their fingers pecked, and Harry knew very
well that they were on his side and always would be, but Harry wasn't 
sorry about it. If somebody had chewed him out for it, Harry would
only have been more furious, don't you think? He might have
even argued himself into honestly thinking that Ron and Hermione
were disloyal.

You were saying yourself that it was exceptional that Harry recovered
enough to manage his anger so why should it be unrealistic that 
Snape has not recovered yet? I think it's likely that Snape, unlike 
Harry or Sirius, did some of the damage to himself by choosing 
 Voldemort's path, but that does not make the damage any less 
real or easier to recover from.

Alla:
> Oh, and  somebody else could have been there, really. I mean, 
> another potion master or Dark Arts teacher? I don't think I need to 
> bring up every time that I understand story based reasons for Snape 
> being there, but  if DD hired somebody else, why not?
> 

Pippin:
I thought it was very well established that Snape had exceptional 
abilities at potion-making and DADA besides being brave and
trusted absolutely.  I admit those abilities aren't entirely unique - 
Lily Potter seems to have had them. I suppose Dumbledore could 
have hired her, except she's dead. Voldemort has been killing
off the best and the brightest for some time now. Dumbledore,
like everyone else in the WW, has to make do.

> 
> Alla:
> 
> Huh? Huh?  So, when eleven year old comes to class and thinks he 
> comes to learn potions what he really comes to learn is how to deal 
> with bastard?

Pippin:
"Hoggy Warty Hogwarts, teach us something, please." I don't 
remember Harry asking only to be taught only the
Ministry-approved curriculum, in fact he very much objected
to that when Umbridge tried it. 


> Alla:
> 
> Huh? Because Hermione was afraid of failing? 

Pippin:

Hermione certainly doesn't think that McGonagall instilled 
this fear in her, so why conclude that Snape is
responsible for Neville's fear just because he personifies
it? 

We don't know what it symbolizes, but we know that
Neville has always feared that he won't be the wizard
his gran wants him to be. That fear surfaces in potions
and in transfiguration because those are Neville's most
difficult subjects. But he doesn't seem to have any 
problems with Snape in DADA, even in third year.
 
> Alla:
> 
> One of those reasons ( I am not convinced that there are others) is 
> that Snape indeed hates him ( unless you are into Actor!Snape) of 
> course, so what again is prejudicial about Harry thinking that Snape 
> hates him?
> 

Pippin:
Harry can't seem to grasp that you can behave in ugly and 
disparaging ways towards someone and yet not wish to
destroy them.

Lily didn't want to destroy James, she just wanted him to act
more like her idea of a wizard.

Sirius didn't wish  Kreacher ill, he just hated to be 
reminded  of his family. It might have been better if
he *had* hated Kreacher, he might've paid more attention to
him and realized what he was up to.

I don't see that Snape has ever wanted to destroy Harry -- he
just hates to be reminded of James, and he would like
Harry to behave less like his father (whom Snape did hate, IMO)
and more like someone who is capable of beating Voldemort (as 
James was not.)


> > Pippin:
> > Where does Dumbledore say "only because" ? 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> He gives other reasons?

Pippin:
When has Dumbledore *ever* not had other reasons? We know
at least one of them, that he believes Snape felt remorse over
helping Voldemort. We also know the one Snape himself
gives in HBP, that it is what a wizard worthy of Dumbledore's
trust would do.

Pippin