[HPforGrownups] Re: JKR's dealing with emotions - Talking about Death

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 147441


Alla:

Right, as I said I agree that if Harry's grief would have been only
shown  in that one scene, I would have completely agreed that it was
lame. I mean, I understand Harry's bravado, but IMO even if person
tries one can barely be completely in control of one's grief. The
flashes of pain will show up here and there, IMO only of course.

I also want to wave at Lupinlore and thank him for more detailed
explanation, since I definitely understand where he is coming from
now.

kchuplis:

I can see it to. I don't really agree with a lot of it (some, but not a lot)
but it is nice to see a more detailed version of the thought process.
Perhaps the irritation and sweeping pronouncements of inferiority just look
stronger in eprint than they actually are upon reading the books for
Lupinlore.

I did want to add one thought (and maybe I have missed the suggestion in
earlier posts, if so, pardon me) about the difference in capslock!Harry and
HBP!Harry..... how much background interference is going on in his mind with
that open connection to LV (who we all admit is at least 4 cans short of a
6-pack, especially when it comes to appropriate emotional behaviour?)  ?


Kemper:
> Also lame, the Order's lack of a ritual goodbye for if not for
them.  Or
> maybe they had one and Harry wasn't invited.  <SNIP> The reader has
developed a
> relationship with Sirius that is hours long in the reading and even
more so
> upon our ponderings of the text.  Harry had 2 years with Sirius and
saw him
> as a mentor if not a father figure.  But after the death.... not
much.
> Not even silent lamenting.

Alla:

Agreed. I found the lack of goodbye for Sirius to be strange and
rather annoying, but I keep hoping that it will somehow tie in with
the that mysterious reason for Sirius' death, although I am unable to
figure out how.


kchuplis:

Now, this is something I think many of us are tying in to our cultures (and,
indeed, many culture's) need for ceremonial acknowledgement of passing. For
one thing, at the time of his death, Sirius is largely still considered to
be a heinous criminal by most people. I don't think that on a large scale
the political element is going to want to have a big public acknowledgement
of what a huge mistake they had made. And we *certainly* have enough canon
availbable on Ministry positions for that to be a pretty accurate guess. So,
any memorial for Sirius would be quite private.

For another, we have no idea what the Order did or did not do pertaining to
a memorial for Sirius, or what traditions they had for the Order members
that were killed in the line of duty in the past war. DD had a big memorial
yes, but he is a rather important figure in the WW and well respected by
many, many people. Also, at the time of his death, there is no mystery or
question whether or not LV is active and dangerous and there is really no
big error of perception of DD's place in the WW society as with Sirius. I am
sure that once again, I am somehow "reading in" to the situation what works
for me, but there it is, some questions or suggestions as to what is
"normal" in particular, for the Order as regards memorials.