Snape Loved or In-Love with Lily?

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> > Alla:
> > How do I feel about Snape "loved Lily" or was "in love" with her?
> > I would love for that NOT to come true, because of the EWWWW part
> > of the theory, but with every book, I feel more and more that it 
> > just FITS and it just may explain SO many plot points.
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> Jen: EWW. Snape/Lily bothers me because the only scenario that 
seems 
> possible in JKR's world of romance, which is incredibly 
traditional, 
> would be unrequited love on the part of Snape. The idea of her 
> pristine Lily character feeling anything more than compassion for 
> Snape doesn't fit in with her typical pairings at all. So that 
> leaves perfect Lily 'seeing the good' in Snape when few others 
> could. Ick. I mean, unless it were a fantasy love on Severus' part-
-
> but that scenario wouldn't make Harry feel any better about him!

Alla:

Oh, EXACTLY, Jen, EWWWW, but as I said unfortunately it just seems 
more and more fitting EWWWW to me and I realised that I probably was 
not clear, that while I certainly do not reject the possibility of 
Snape being in love with Lily, I think it is a big possibility, just 
as you do I do NOT see Lily being in love with Snape, I just so 
DON'T.

So, yep, unrequited crush on Snape's behalf and friendly feelings 
from Lily seems like a possibility to me. Of course it is all just 
speculation at this point, but it seems to me like hints in the text 
support it.

But again to make myself clear I definitely prefer what Steve 
speculated to come true - namely Snape and Lily both having friendly 
feelings to each other.


 
> Alla:
> > If your objections are just based on predictability part, well
> > then how more predictable "Ron/Hermione" and "Harry/Ginny" can 
be?
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> Jen: Ditto on the first part, thinking the pairings were 
> predictable. About the second part though, so far JKR has paired 
up 
> people she seems to view as equals. None of them have been an 
> obvious mismatch except for drugged-up Tom Riddle, Sr. and Merope. 
> This is why I think if love were involved, it was on Snape's part 
> only, and I've always agreed with Neri there's solid canon for 
> unrequited love from Snape toward Narcissa.

Alla:

Oh, but since I think the love was mainly from Snape' side, do they 
have to be equals?

And Tom Riddle Sr. and Merope seem like such a nice foreshadowing 
for Snape possibly wanting to drug Lily with Love Potion and 
(maybe?) abandoning such idea at some point. Heeee! You know my not 
very flattering opinion of his moral character. :)

Of course, I am just going of the speculative tanget here nothing 
more than that. It is what Steve said - my intuitive read, nothing 
more.

Jen: 
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> You know, as I sit here thinking about canon for Snape/Lily, I 
can't 
> remember one bit that is actually hinted at in canon rather than 
> being a speculative reason because it would fill a plot hole.

Alla: Oh, true, true again, but this IS my main reason for thinking 
that it would come true, because Ic annot come up with any OTHER 
possible reason to fill all those plot holes so well. :)

Jen:
 Not 
> saying that discounts LOLLIPOPS completely, but look at this list 
of 
> major events Snape's love for Lily is supposed to answer:
<SNIP of the events, go UPTHREAD to read them>
> Yet no character ever mentions a possible connection between Snape 
> and Lily and we've never seen a positive interaction between them. 
> Maybe JKR has gone too far in the other direction on this one, 
> concealing her clues too tightly. It just seems like it would 
> explain too *much*, if that makes sense.

Alla:

Well, you are right again and as I just said, I cannot find any 
OTHER good reason to explain all those events away, all of them you 
know. :)

And yes, it exactly what it feels like to me - that JKR is doing it 
on purpose - dropping hints, but nothing certain and I don't even 
think that she is being too sneaky or devious, because trust me I so 
was NOT fan of LOLLYPOPS, but with every book I get a feeling that 
that is exactly what is going to happen. It is like JKR manages to 
say it without actually saying it. IMO of course. :-)

> Jen: I'm sort of thinking Harry would be infuriated to find out 
> Snape loved Lily rather than Lily saw something good in Snape. 
Harry 
> would think Snape had duped his mum or coerced her. 

Alla:

Could be ;)

Jen:
He would need to 
> know Lily cared about Snape of her own free will and saw something 
> in him the Maruaders didn't see, imo. As for the part about 'my 
> mother would have wanted me to' I completely agree. We've seen the 
> many ways Harry is like James, most notably showing Peter mercy. I 
> think there needs to be an equally powerful way Harry is like Lily 
> and showing compassion seems like a good bet.

Alla:

Frankly, I feel so far that Lily is being brought up for the role of 
the Saint. I don't really like it, but it seems like JKR is 
determined to show that only Harry's father figures have flaws. I 
would prefer Lily to have some flaws too, but I agree that Harry 
will show the compassion as his mother would.


 
> Jen R., noticing she always finds a way to talk herself out of 
> Snape/Lily and can't stop now....
>

JMO,

Alla, who unfortunately is unable to talk herself out of Snape/Lily 
anymore.