Young Dumbledore (wasRe: Why Leave Harry at HW at the End of HBP?)

[susanbones2003]

No: HPFGUIDX 148414

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
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> 
> SNIPPED Meself! HEE HEE!
> 
> kchuplis:
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> I think he was quite serious in his use of Sirius as a bargaining 
card 
> and he plays it to the hilt at the beginning of GOF. Remember the 
> previous summer he had the Dursley's fear of him using magic (even 
> though he didn't and couldn't) as his bargaining chip to a degree, 
> probably mostly on Dudley as it would get him to leave Harry 
alone, 
> even if he did have to face consequences later. At the beginning 
of 
> OoTP we seem him mercilessly goading Dudley into a temper, which 
is a 
> type of manipulation. Don't underestimate the power of button 
pushing. 
> I sometimes wonder if Harry remembers his own button pushing when 
he 
> sees Snape doing it to Sirius.SNIPS AGAIN

Okay,
I am not trying to split hairs about whether Harry did or didn't do 
anything manipulative. Yes, he used Sirius to frighten the Dursleys, 
he goaded Dudders, but until Book 6, taking the memory and then 
watching the memory, I never registered him being consciously 
manipulative. Not even when he was used by DD as the bait to get 
Slughorn. Yes, he defended the safety of the Order but he does it 
not in a manipulative fashion, but from a sincere place. He does see 
the choice between the Order, remaining neutral and LV as a no-
brainer. Manipulation occurs when someone is trying to get his way 
surreptitiously, when you can't be honest  or voice an honest 
opinion, when you have to play on someone's better or worse nature, 
when you can't just say, "We need this memory to defeat LV and you 
ought to be proud to give it." (He had to bring in sentimentality 
with Lily and some say, Slughorn planned to give him that memory 
anyway but that's another story...)So all I am trying to say is that 
awareness of his actions seems to have blossomed in Book 6. Is this 
a normal part of growing up? To become increasingly aware of how to 
be devious?  Harry has some demons to tackle in his own heart, means 
and ends arguments. In his previous actions, I just do not see the 
cunning and planning. Yes, he wants to go to the QWC, but that's on 
a quite a different level than the life and death matters that are 
now occuring. His intent was just not at the level it is now and I 
don't want to see him lose his pure and untarnished soul learning to 
manipulate with greater skill in order to get what he needs. That 
would make him very much more like LV than I care to contemplate.
Not much of an argument but there you go!
Jen D.