Snape! Snape! Snape! Snape! Loverly Snape! Wonderful Snape! (long

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> Alla:
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> I don't see Harry telling himself before he goes to bed in book 
> 7 "must stop hating Snape or will fail my quest". IMO of course.
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> Julie:
> I don't see Harry saying that either. And I don't think he has
> to feel only positive emotions. He just can't be *ruled* by his
> anger and hate. That's the trap Harry is in danger of falling
> into, the trap that Snape fell into and where he still resides
> even after all these years. 

Alla:

Oh, Harry not being "ruled" by anger and hate is totally different 
story (IMO of course) that saying than Harry has to feel love and 
only love towards Snape and in a very short time abandon all ( IMO 
very justifiable negative feelings) what he previously felt towards 
Snape.

I understand the trap of " being like Snape", but as I wrote in the 
past, for some strange reason I feel supremely confident that Harry 
is not in danger of falling into this trap. I also wrote in the past 
that the ONLY lesson I can see Dumbledore giving Harry by showing 
Snape's example is not to be like Snape, ever, but Again, I don't 
think Harry is in such great danger in the first place.

Julie:  
> There is nowhere in the books that says Harry *has* to stop 
> hating Snape, but there is the implication that he has to 
> maintain a pure heart and soul (Dumbledore mentions that Harry
> has such, at least to this point). I don't think he can face
> Voldemort with a pure heart and soul if he acts against Snape
> in vengeance, which is what he wants to do now, and will do if
> he's still ruled by his anger and hate when the two meet again.

Alla:

Indeed, but don't you find it interesting that Dumbledore mentions 
that Harry has a pure heart and soul AFTER he tried to curse Bella. 
I don't buy that Dumbledore did not know about it, so to me he is 
strangely unconcerned with Harry's attempt to cast Unforgivable. 
Don't get me wrong, as I said many times, I adore Harry, I find him 
by the end of book 6 to be the character of real not imaginary 
complexity, but I certainly would not mind him to be tempted some 
more by Dark side :-). It looks like Dumbledore is quite confident 
that Harry is not in such a danger.

Does it mean that as long as you don't have intent to hurt, it does 
not matter that you tried to cast Unforgivable? Or does it mean that 
as lonhg as you try to cast Unforgivable with sufficient 
provocation, it is Ok? (I strongly doubt my second suggestion, so I 
will go with the first one).

I really really wish Snape would not be able to block Harry's 
Unforgivable ( not because I want Snape to suffer, although I really 
really do - but moral humiliation will do the trick for me) but 
because I would be VERY curious to see if Harry's Unforgiveable 
would work on Snape. I have a VERY strong suspicion that it would 
not work either.


Julie:
> He'll no doubt still dislike Snape, maybe even hate him if he
> is ESE, but he will be able to forgive Snape (which he can only
> do if he is able to overcome that driving anger and hate, and
> replace it with some level of understanding and compassion/pity). 

Alla:

That can be done realistically as long as Harry won't feel just love 
towards the man, IMO of course.

But here is another thing which I should probably clarify, in case I 
was not clear in the past. I see that the ONLY positive emotion 
Harry  can feel towards Snape as pity, so I am sure people who 
believe in DD!M Snape can add respect to the mix, I cannot even do 
that.

Because even though I sure find some varieties of DD!M Snape to be 
possible and well done, I still for myself do not buy Dumbledore 
asking Snape to kill him ( especially if Dumbledore was not diying 
from the poison), it requires for me to do too much mental 
gymnastics to transform DD character from how I see it, although I 
totally acknowledge the possibility.

So, for myself the MOST DD!M Snape I can see on the Tower is the one 
who figured WITHOUT Dumbledore that he has no other choice in order 
to help good guys in the next book, basically saving his own life 
even if for good purposes.

I do NOT see Harry respecting this kind of Snape. Pitying him? Yes. 
Forgiving him, unfortunately yes, but not respecting him.

Basically as I said in the past, no matter what kind of Snape 
emerges I see Harry having an upper hand in the moral sense in book 
seven.

JMO,

Alla
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