[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Cunning or Manipulative?

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 148484


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  From: susanbones2003 
   But and 
  here's my point, it really bothers me that Harry wasn't repelled by 
  LV's skills with Slughorn. He seemed to be recognizing a  master at 
  work. And so I wondered (fruitlessly, I admit) if in the future 
  Harry would not have to face demons of his own concerning the end 
  and the means to an end. I realize that LV must be defeated but I 
  hadn't counted on any situation in which Harry might have to do 
  something unsavory (killing aside) to accomplish this task. I 
  worried that he might damage his own pure and untarnished soul. 
  Everytime I say this, Geoff, I get posts detailing all 
  the "conscious" times Harry has sidestepped ethical behaviour and 
  it's supposed to buoy some argument that the Harry admiring LV isn't 
  a new thing. And so there you have it. 
  Jen D. (on to other things, really, I promise).


  kchuplis:
   
  I really think we have another case of difference in definition of a word; admire. 

  I found this (no, not the OE, but it is plenty for a quick post; if anyone has the OE feel free to put out a more detailed definition):

  ad·mire (ad-mir') 

  v., -mired, -mir·ing, -mires. 

  v.tr. 
    1.. To regard with pleasure, wonder, and approval. 
    2.. To have a high opinion of; esteem or respect. 
    3.. Chiefly New England & Upper Southern U.S. To enjoy (something): "I just admire to get letters, but I don't admire to answer them" (Dialect Notes). 
    4.. Archaic. To marvel or wonder at.
  I believe we are seeing Harry as "to marvel or wonder at" which is not to say he holds it in esteem or respect - not in the way I think you are worried about. It doesn't mean he is saying "wow, I wish I could do that" but rather just saying "well, THAT is an LV strength." I agree, Harry has not ever been cunning or underhanded about his ability to cajole or get what he needs or wants, but I also (myself) see no indication that he is in danger of identifying too strongly with LV. Just enough to be concious of his choices, and that occurred as far back as the end of CoS. 

  (I couldn't help myself. I have no will power. )

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