Harry Cunning or Manipulative?

[susanbones2003]

No: HPFGUIDX 148543

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Ceridwen" <ceridwennight at ...> 
wrote:
>
>
> Ceridwen:
> Not Carol (ignore the Polyjuice simmering in the corner), but I 
think 
> I have it.  All through the books, Harry has been looking for 
> information: on his parents, on why everyone is out to get him, on 
> the mission that is obviously in store for him.  A novice, an 
> amateur, starting at the bottom, he has had nothing but 
frustration.  
> At the end of OotP, Dumbledore says he's going to tell Harry 
> everything.  And Fandom breathes a sigh of relief, because when 
Harry 
> hears it all, then we hear it all...
> 
> Not that we got 'the whole truth' even then.

Jen here:
But Ceridwen, as far as I can recall, Harry learnt everything he 
learned about his parents either accidentally or in a very 
forthcoming manner. Lupin told him a few things, Sirius a few 
things. Okay, I forgot the pensieve. He regularly fell into that 
thing. But no wheedling or even inquiry involved. Just do something 
that would probably in DD's case not be so bad and then, of course, 
totally violate Snape's privacy, but never with the malice 
aforethought I attach to wheedling. I like your idea that he's been 
a failure at wheedling but I don't see any attempts even. He seems 
remarkably able to let information come to him. Hagrid told him a 
bit. Slughorn told him a bit. The Dementors did their part. As did 
Lupin and Sirius. And Snape added a huge chunk of less-than-savory 
info. There's Mad-eye's narration of the last photograph. Madame 
Rosmerta and the group at the Three Broomsticks. I'm running out of 
sources. Oh yes, DD of course. Harry's certain disregard for the 
rules is there. I admit that but I just don't see any attempts to 
obtain information in a clandestine manner. It feels a little like 
JKR wants to introduce a side of Harry that can appreciate young 
Tom's gifts and perhaps even emmulate him (and we know he can, but 
needed his friend Felix for the final push). Harry's growing up and 
I am willing to bet she needs this side of him for the next book. I 
just don't see enough preparation and I guess this doesn't make for 
much of a post but there you have it. 

Jen D, wondering if that gently simmering polyjuice potion works 
with vela hair....