Secret Keepers/JKR Poll Question - Confussion

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No: HPFGUIDX 148652

kchuplis wrote: <SNIP>
"Isn't it said in the conversation that Harry overhears at the Three 
Broomsticks that someone could have pressed their face on the 
sitting room window and not been able to see the Potters due to the 
Fidelious Charm? I was under the impression it kept *The Potters* 
protected. Not the house necessarily."


CH3ed:
O I think the charm was on their house or "their hiding place". I 
think the "face pressed against the window" thing was just a figure 
of speech. James had his invisibility cloak so he doesn't need the 
FC to be invisible. Besides, the same figure of speech could have 
been used about 12GP. People who weren't told by DD where the HQ of 
the OotP is can stare at the wall between 11GP and 13GP until they 
drop dead without being able to see anything other than a wall.


Rose wrote: <SNIP>
"What I am wondering is even if killing the secret keeper just 
buries 
the secret, can the Fidelius Charm still be broken? 
JK mentions in the poll question that "even if [someone]... is force-
fed Veritaserum or placed under the Imperius Curse" it will not be 
able 
to be divulged. Is the same true for a Legilimens? One theory on the 
redhen's website (http://www.redhen-publications.com/Pettigrew.html) 
is 
that Voldemort gained access to the Potter's hiding place by reading 
Pettigrew's mind (sorry Professor Snape, but I couldn't think of 
another phrase). Did JKR specifically avoid using this example? Is 
this one of the ways to break the Fidelius Charm? And if so, can it 
only be used on the Secret Keeper, or can it be used on anyone the 
secret has been divulged to? And if it can be broken this way, can 
it 
be broken other ways as well?" 


CH3ed:
I'm of the opinion that the redhen's theory is wrong because in that 
case PP wouldn't have "chosen" to tell LV the secret. Using 
ligilimen would be akin to subjecting the SK to veritaserum or 
imperius curse. I think the revealing of the secret has to be 
voluntarily done by the SK in order for it to be effective (which 
makes PP's sin very red indeed). 

Also, I agree with Steve's take. The FC is NOT broken when the SK 
decides to tell someone the secret. I haven't seen any canon that 
says that the FC makes the SK promise to not tell the secret to 
anyone. The canon we have says that the FC involves hiding the 
secret in the living soul of the SK where it cannot be exposed 
except when the SK chooses to reveal it. That is why it is so 
important to choose someone you really trust to be your SK. DD did 
not break the FC when he told Harry or anybody else who aren't 
members of the OotP the location of its HQ. DD was the SK and it was 
his privilege to reveal the secret to whomever he chooses.


Marianne wrote: <SNIP>
"One worry about 12 GP was whether there was some sort of charm on 
the house that would only allow it to be willed to someone with 
Black blood.  Since JKR made it clear that Sirius could will it to 
anyone he chose, this turned out not to be an issue.  But, DD was 
clearly concerned that Bellatrix might inherit the house, which was 
the reason the Order temporarily vacated the premises.  How would 
that have squared with the Secret Keeper charm had Sirius not been 
able to will the house to Harry?  In other words, can inheritance 
trump the Secret Keeper charm?"


CH3ed:
I'm not sure. But I think that DD was the SK for the OotP and the 
secret he kept was 'where the Headquarters of the OotP is,' so I 
think the FC would follow the HQ wherever it is moved to and is not 
specific to 12GP. In other word, when the HQ was moved temporarily, 
the FC moved to cover the HQ wherever it was in that brief period. 
The other protective enchantments placed directly on 12GP remained, 
of course. That would explain why in the note DD left for Harry he 
had to specify that "the HQ of the OotP can be found at #12GP", 
instead of just writing, "#12GP" for Harry to read.


Marianne wrote: <SNIP>
"  If Peter, the Secret Keeper revealed the secret to Vmort, then 
the secret is essentially over. There was no more secret. Peter 
broke the charm in order to reveal the Potters whereabouts to 
Voldemort. In this case, whether the charm concerned the house or 
the actual persons of the Potters, it no longer mattered because the 
Keeper spilled the beans."


CH3ed:
Nah, the SK is entrusted with the secret. He can reveal it to anyone 
he wishes just like DD could tell whoever he saw fit where the HQ of 
the OotP was. The SK agreed to house the secret within his soul. 
That's all unless he also takes an UV to not tell it to a specific 
person, or he agrees to other magically binding contract to not tell 
it. 


Christina wrote: <SNIP>
" Even though Voldemort would have been trying to capture Sirius, or 
whoever he thought the Potters' SK was, the FC would have afforded 
Sirius some protection in battle, since it would have been a big no-
no to let him die.  (Although it was said that Sirius was going into 
hiding himself, which I still find sort of odd.)"


CH3ed:
Well, if LV thought Sirius was the SK, then he wouldn't want to kill 
him, but that doesn't do anything to deter LV from torturing him, I 
think. Everyone has a break point, so it was a good idea for the 
decoy SK to go into hiding as well.

CH3ed :O) Struggling to keep up with the pace.