Trusting Snape - Dumb Dumbledore; Dumber DE's

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 148887

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tammy Rizzo" <ms-tamany at ...> wrote:
> ...edited...
>  
> Tammy again:
>  
> ...  Okay, so you think that DD putting so much hope and trust
> in Harry and Snape being able to act like grown ups is moronic.
> Why?  ...  Think for a moment -- Dumbledore is well over 150 
> years old. He's always been shown to us as 'large and in charge',
> so to speak -- always quite secure, almost always nearly 
> preternaturally calm (...), always rational.  He's had 
> GENERATIONS of practice at being cool, calm, collected, rational, 
> and of considering the outcomes.  
> ...edited..

bboyminn:

The old and wise men will not suffer fools easily.

Dumbledore has seen it all before; stubborn pig-headed fools,
ineffective bureaucrats, love-sick idiots, power hungry overlords,
people who are pathetic passive sheep, war, famine, plague,
pestilence, and much much more. At some point, despite I'm sure much
effort on Dumbledore's part, you just have to let fools be fools; it's
the only way they learn. 

I have a philosophy that says that 'Revelation is a far better teacher
than explanation', or, 'the lessons you teach yourself are the lesson
you learn the best'. I'm sure when Dumbledore was young WISE and
idealistic, he tried to explain the folly of men to them, yet they
never learned, they presisted in endless folly. Eventually he realized
that they would continue on their self-chosen path of destruction
until they either learned for themselves that they were their own
worst enemy or they destroyed themselves. But either way, they had to
learn it for themselves.

So, now Dumbledore does his best, but beyond a certain point, he can
only create opportunities, from there on, people have to get on with
it by themselves. They sink or swim by their choices.

It has to be incredibly frustrating to be Dumbledore, to be so wise,
yet live in a world where you find fools at every turn. Fools who
refuse to listen to reason or truth, so thoroughly convinced that only
they know the real truth or what has real value. Like I said, at some
point, you just have to withdraw and just let fools be fools.

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> PJ:
> ... Two reasons more didn't get hurt or die in that fight was
> Harry's potion and the fact that most DE's seem to be the "gang 
> who couldn't shoot straight".   Let's face it, either the kids are 
> extrordinarily good at spells or the DE's skills are laughable!  
> ....
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> Tammy  again : 
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> Well, have we yet seen any *competent* DE action? What we've seen,
> first hand, has been more like disorganized mob work, and a bunch
> of toadies grovelling in the graveyard. ... I'm sure they were 
> confident that anyone fighting against them would also have been 
> trained by incompetents. ...edited...  After all, they seem to all
> have rather weak minds, believing the tripe LV's been feeding them. 
>  
> ***
> Tammy Rizzo

bboyminn:

The problem with the Death Eaters is that they are the typical evil
overlord toadies. The Evil Overlord is so convinced of his own
superiority and genius, that any plan he conceives is the 'perfect
plan' by virtue of the fact he thought of it. Compound that by the
fact that he is such an absolute ruthless vindictive ruler, that there
is no room for analysis, discussion, or any attempt to refine the
plan. It is simply 'do as I say, or die'. That doesn't lead to the
most innovative or creative planning. 

Further, 98% of the DE's are morons, so that the Evil Overlord will
look like a genius by comparison, and with the added benefit that none
of them are capable of challenging him. The remaining DE's while
intelligent are moderately deranged and blinded by illusions of power.
So, we have a pack of blind, deranged, deluded, power-mad, afraid to
think for themselves morons trying to carry out ill-concieved plans,
and you wonder why nothing ever works.

People wonder why street thugs are so dangerous. It's not because they
CAN hit you; it's because they WILL. The same is true with DE's, they
will strike without provocation or warning. They act for selfish
pleasure, and to re-enforce an exaggerated sense of power. They act
because they can act, and neither do they fear the consequences nor
think that there will be any consequences. That is until they are dead
or in jail, then they are convinced that 'everybody is always picking
on me, I never get a break'. Well, no one ever said they were smart.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn