[HPforGrownups] Trusting Snape

[Tammy Rizzo]

No: HPFGUIDX 148911


Tammy :

>Okay, so you think that DD putting so much hope and trust in Harry and 
>Snape being able
>to act like grown ups is moronic.  Why?  It was wrong, obviously, but how 
>can it be considered >moronic?

PJ:

Because DD's already tried that with Snape and Harry via the lessons and 
realized it was a fiasco.   Harry and Snape don't trust each other enough to

work together!   At 150 yrs old DD would have the intelligence as well as 
this past experience to finally see this and know that it would turn into a 
disaster even if both tried very hard to do as he wished.

[Now Tammy says:] 
 But they've had at least another whole year in which to grow up some, to
mature more.  Most people do grow and change at least a little in a year --
it can't have been moronic for DD to have hoped for that change.  Hope is
*never* moronic, though hopes can be misplaced, and DD seems to have
misplaced his, hoping that Harry would behave in a rational manner under the
Cloak on the Tower, and stay put where he was safely concealed, rather than
risk himself uselessly after his safety had been purchased so dearly.  I do
believe that is what we were talking about, right?  Harry acting like a
grown-up and not doing something stupid on the Tower?  Snape acting like a
grown-up, too?  Or at least, acting like Dumbledore expects that they ought
to be able to by now?  After all, Harry *had* showed more maturity than he
had last year, especially in following painful orders only a short while
before, in the cave.


> Tammy:
<snip> ... he would have done anything to protect
>his students, regardless of the price one teacher must be called upon to
>pay.

PJ:

But again this in my eyes makes DD no better than Voldermort since it would 
say that the plan is much more important than the people involved.  To show 
Dumbledore as someone who feels people are of no more worth once their job 
is finished isn't what my vision of Dumbledore is about.

[Now Tammy says:] 
 
Once their job is finished?  The plan is more important than the people
involved?  Where do you get that from what I said?  I'm saying that the
students, who are under DD's protection for as long as they're enrolled at
Hogwarts, are first in his concerns -- their safety (barring the usual small
accidents of wizardly childhood, which are so easily repaired) is paramount,
more important even than that of their teachers, who OUGHT TO BE willing and
able to pay alomst any price for the sake of those students.  How does the
importance to DD of students' lives translate to a scheming DD who puts
plans above people, or sees people as worthless once their job is finished?
 
PJ:
 Let's say for arguement sake that you're right and Snape is solidly DD's 
man. Well, if after 14+ years of sacrifice and deprivation all Snape 
receives for his loyalty and hard, dangerous work on Dumbledore's behalf is 
to be hunted down like a rabid dog and either thrown in prison or killed by 
an Auror for AK'ing DD - especially if some are right and it was on DD's 
orders?  What a horror!!  That would make DD's "retirement plan" for loyal, 
competent service no better than Voldermort's!  Sorry, I just can't buy 
that!  Dumbledore is so much better than that!


[Now Tammy says:] 
 
Now, somehow, we're back to plotting, scheming, planning DD, choreographing
the scene atop the Tower.  "Now, Severus, once Draco has failed to kill me
and the Death Eaters have come to support him, you'll arrive and do the job
for him, and then you'll be a hunted man for the rest of your life, but
you'll go through your miserable existance knowing that you followed the
plan."  That's just ridiculous, and I've never said or implied anything of
the sort.  DD didn't plan this, I'm sure.  He surely expected *something* to
happen, but I'm positive he did NOT *PLAN* anything of the sort.  He may
well have considered several possible options before that night had come,
contingencies if you will, and how to possibly deal with them, but I highly
doubt that these contingencies were planned out in any great detail.
Circumstances dictate so much of how any contingency will be dealt with.
The circumstances in which DD and Co. found themselves atop the Tower had to
be dealt with AS THEY WERE, and as they were, were not very good.  I still
see the outcome as the best one DD or Snape could come to at the time, given
the circumstances.


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