[HPforGrownups] Re: Real child abuse/ JKR intentions/ Snape again/Draco

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 145756

>> Betsy Hp:
>> Now how on earth am I supposed to take your opinions about child
>> abuse seriously when you say torturing a child is okay?  That *is*
>> what you're saying, yes?  Dropping a transfigured Draco onto a
> stone
>> floor from such a height he actually bounces is fine and dandy.
>> Catching Harry in the middle of a wrong doing and calling him on
> it
>> is abuse.  I'm sorry, but your logic completely escapes me.
>
> Alla:
>
> Huh? You are not SUPPOSED to take ANY of my opinions seriously, if
> you don't want to, Betsy. Just as I don't have to take any of your
> opinions seriously , if I don't want to.

Magpie:

I'm a little puzzled by this reaction as well.  We take peoples' views 
seriously as a default because they make a case for themselves, not because 
we decide at random to take them seriously or not.  How could we have a 
conversation otherwise?  Your views here do throw all your previous words 
about child abuse into a different light.  Obviously child abuse (fictional 
child abuse) isn't the real issue if this scene is so different from Snape 
being sarcastic.

Alla:
>
> NO, I am not saying that torturing the child is Okay, but I am
> saying that making Draco bounce a few times is OK within the
> narrative? Why? Because  of whom he is. You know, I am reading PoA
> right now and it made me realize once again how much I hate Draco
> and how much IMO he deserves EVERYTHING he gets and more.

Magpie:

Sounds a lot like the way Snape probably feels whenever he deals with Harry. 
Every time Harry does something new Snape probably realizes again how much 
he hates Harry and how much IHO he deserves EVERYTHING he gets (from him) 
and more.  Same with Neville.  So what's the problem with what he does to 
them?

In both cases someone making one feel angry deserves to be hurt and must be 
guilty of whatever there is to be guilty of.  If someone gives one pleasure, 
like Moody here, he must really have good intentions like trying to be a 
good friend to Harry and Neville. The only consistency has to do with the 
same group of people being favored and everyone else assuming they could 
never be on the receiving end of rough justice because they're "deserving" 
of better treatment, unaware that at any second they could be the one not 
good enough to avoid abuse.

If it's just a case of describing our reactions to our scenes that's a 
different matter: I like Neville, I identify with him in his scenes with 
Snape, so I get angry on his behalf when Snape yells at him.  Or: I hate 
Draco. I want to hit him in his scenes, so I like seeing someone else do it. 
But I think the ethical considerations of the two are supposed to be more 
challenging.  The ferret scene *is* a clue to Moody's real 
identity--Fake!Moody rarely lies, he just relies on his Polyjuiced face to 
make people interpret his words and actions in a positive light.  The ferret 
scene uses hatred of Draco to trick and distract.  Crouch *isn't* two 
different guys, the nice teacher and the DE.  He's always the Death Eater. 
He just knows how to sucker people.

-m