Real child abuse/ JKR intentions/ Snape again/Draco

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 145758

> Magpie:
<SNIP>
Your views here do throw all your previous words 
> about child abuse into a different light.  Obviously child abuse 
(fictional 
> child abuse) isn't the real issue if this scene is so different 
from Snape 
> being sarcastic.

Alla:

It is not different per se, to me it is different because it is 
Draco. If the scene was with Fake!Moody bouncing someone whom we 
just had no clue about, not just someone I like, I would feel 
totally different. I think the scene is supposed to be taken as 
humorous, because it is Draco, that is all.


 
> Alla:
> >
> > NO, I am not saying that torturing the child is Okay, but I am
> > saying that making Draco bounce a few times is OK within the
> > narrative? Why? Because  of whom he is. You know, I am reading 
PoA
> > right now and it made me realize once again how much I hate Draco
> > and how much IMO he deserves EVERYTHING he gets and more.
> 
> Magpie:
<SNIP>
> If it's just a case of describing our reactions to our scenes 
that's a 
> different matter: I like Neville, I identify with him in his 
scenes with 
> Snape, so I get angry on his behalf when Snape yells at him.  Or: 
I hate 
> Draco. I want to hit him in his scenes, so I like seeing someone 
else do it. 
> But I think the ethical considerations of the two are supposed to 
be more 
> challenging.  The ferret scene *is* a clue to Moody's real 
> identity--Fake!Moody rarely lies, he just relies on his Polyjuiced 
face to 
> make people interpret his words and actions in a positive light.  
The ferret 
> scene uses hatred of Draco to trick and distract.  Crouch *isn't* 
two 
> different guys, the nice teacher and the DE.  He's always the 
Death Eater. 
> He just knows how to sucker people.


Alla:

Oh, of course it is partially a case of our reactions ot the scenes. 
As I said I hate Draco and I am glad to see him suffer, BUT IMO it 
is also a case of different read of JKR's philosophy. As I said, I 
don't believe that JKR is the type of writer, who lets bad guys go 
unpunished.

To me, objectively ( as I read it of course, I don't pretend to be a 
final authority on it :-)) Neville is a person of MUCH better 
character than Draco, that is why I sympathise with Neville and 
laugh when Draco gets bounced. What is most important though is I 
believe that JKR feels the same way. I think that by that time Draco 
did enough bad things to get something back, you know. Even in that 
scene, Draco is PUNISHED, Fake!Moody does not just attack him out of 
nowhere, he punishes him for attacking Harry. ANY teacher would have 
punished him, IMO, just using different methods.

BUT if you were to show me say Snape threatening Neville to poison 
Trevor  and fake!Moody bouncing Draco off with the names of the 
characters crossed out, I would absolutely called it child abuse in 
both scenes, you know?

Since we do know who gets punished, I won't cry foul for poor Draco. 
Sorry!

JMO of course,

Alla