Is Dumbledore dead?

[Maria Vaerewyck]

No: HPFGUIDX 146205

"staceyv2220" <staceyv2220 at y...> wrote:
> I seem to recall something about Merlin dying and rising again 
> from a lake of fire.  Does anyone know anything about this?  It 
> would bring more understanding to the Dumbledore discussion.  I 
> have to question his death because J.K.R. repeats so many times 
> that he will only be gone when no one is left who is loyal to 
> him and Harry is "Dumbledore's man."


maria8162001:
I don't know about the rest but for me Dumbledore is not really 
dead. After reading the HBP, I cannot really believe that he is 
dead. I guess it has somthing to do with the secret plan that he 
has with Snape. Remember when Hagrid overheard them arguing in 
the forest? And then when Snape said the Avada Kedavra spell the 
effect was different from those who died from the Avada Kedavra 
before (other HP books). 

Then when he fell over the battlements, nobody really went 
directly to look at his body. It took a lot of time for Harry to 
finally reach the place where the body of Dumbledore is. There 
was plenty of time for Dumbledore to do anything with regard to 
his body to make it look like he's really dead. 

Because it was certainly not a very powerful Avada Kedavra Snape 
cast on him. And according to Snape's expression he certainly 
hated the thing that he was about to do on Dumbledore. "Snape 
gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and 
hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face."  I guess that's 
what's they were arguing in the forest. Dumbledore wanted him to 
kill him if Draco would be convinced easily to change sides to 
protect him and his mother and the Unbreakable Vow Snape have 
with Draco. Dumbledore knew from the beginning that Draco is 
not a killer and would not be able to kill him. 

Besides there are a lot of clues that his death was all planned. 
And then there's this fire and smoke in his funeral. First, 
nobody really saw the body of Dumbledore during the funeral, it 
was covered well when Hagrid brought it to the table. Then nobody 
lit a fire but his body burst into flames/fire and the smoke that 
came out of it, "Bright, white flames had erupted around 
Dumbledore's body and the table upon which it lay: higher and 
higher they rose, obscuring the body. White smoke spiralled into 
the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one stopping 
moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but 
next second the fire had vanished." 

I am not certain if DD is an animagus but if he is we can already 
assume that it would be a phoenix, either way if he wasn't an 
animagus who did that phoenix smoke represents? There's only one 
we know, Fawkes, but he's alive, unless he was wrapped as well in 
that bundle Hagrid put on the table. 

Then there's DD wand. What happened to it? After he was disarmed 
by Draco it was never mentioned anymore, did anybody get it and 
hide it? We know very well that a wizard's wand is very important 
to them, as it was mentioned on the song of Hagrid and Slughorn 
when they were drunk and was singing about "Odo, the wizard, a 
hero," he had his wand with him in his funeral according to the 
song even when it was broken into two.

Then there's this, another expression of Snape when Harry called 
him coward the second time for killing DD. Harry said to Snape 
"Kill me like you killed him, you coward-' 'DON'T-' screamed 
Snape, and his face was suddenly demented, inhuman, as though he 
was in as much pain as the yelping, howling dog stuck in the 
burning house behind them,'-CALL ME COWARD!' Why would Snape's 
expression be like that if he really killed DD in cold blood? 
It's an expression that suggests that he hated that thing he had 
to do even under DD's order and it pained him so much that his 
pain even make him looked inhuman. 

Harry called him coward before that when Harry told him to fight 
him back as he was just deflecting Harry's curses and he just 
shouted to Harry like this "Coward, did you call me Potter?' 
shouted Snape. 'Your father would never attack me unless it was 
four to one, what would you call him, I wonder?' Why in that 
instant Snape didn't react like demented and with pain? 

Well, I guess you can figure it out now. Also we have to go back 
to the time when the group where in the hospital wing of Hogwarts 
and they heard the Phoenix song/lament. Are we certain that the 
phoenix was really lamenting about the death of DD? Maybe he 
needed to do that to ease the pain of everybody that reckoned DD 
is dead, or maybe the phoenix was lamenting to heal DD, as we all 
know a phoenix tear has powerful healing. Harry knew the feeling 
as he had felt the healing power of the Fawkes' tears in the 
SS/PS. 

That's why I expect DD on almost the end of the 7th book. And 
we'll know what really happened. But either he's dead or not, it 
was all his plan and Snape was his best shot for his plan.