Spies, Lies and Self fullfilling prophecies

[ornadv]

No: HPFGUIDX 146330

Orna:
That's a very thought-out and possible theory, and I admit that my 
main motive for trying to poke holes in it, is that I really like 
Lupin and what he stands for IMO very much, and wouldn't like him to 
end ESE!. 

>Pippin:
>Pettigrew could hardly have continued to spy on the Order after 
>being outed as the Secret Keeper, or faking his own death, so why 
>frame Sirius at all?

Orna:
Because he was a very good wizard, who would certainly try to avenge 
the Potter's murder. And Peter was unable to duel with him directly.

>Pippin:
>Voldemort has a long history of framing people for his crimes, and
>the crimes of his supporters. A double bluff would certainly not be
>beyond his cunning.

Orna:
Agree. If your theory is correct – Voldemort would probably act as 
you said. But when would he have the opportunity to frame Wormtail – 
he was Voldivapor at the time Sirius and Wormtail met?

>Pippin:
>Wormtail the Spy, OTOH, is supposed to have killed twelve people 
>with a single spell. This contradicts not only much that we're told 
>about Peter but much else we know about magic. Eye contact is
>supposed to be important, all the spells we've seen are directional,
>yet Wormtail is supposed to have cast, with a wand held behind
>his back, a spell that killed everyone within twenty feet of himself
>yet left him unharmed. ::raises eyebrows:: 

Orna:
I agree that this part is troubling me. But that's my explanation:
He blew apart the street – that might have acted like an explosion 
and killed the people. Or made enough mayhem to allow for further 
AKes. In GoF Wormtail is quite capable of AKing Cedric without so 
much as turning a hair.
Another thought I had – killing is a very crude action, and killers 
are sometimes very "simple" butchers – not very sophisticated or 
talented, but just that – killers.  Since Peter seems to be hungry 
for power, he might have learned the AK, just as he seems to have 
mastered his animagus transformation – he does it quite efficiently 
and quickly in PoA.
Another thought – the marauders didn't teach him AK, that's sure. So 
he must have got some training from DE before Voldemort's fall. As 
it is he wasn't suspected for it, so he might as well have done 
other things.


>Pippin:
>Murder tears the soul, even Voldemort can't remain untouched by it,
>yet after supposedly killing twelve people, Pettigrew lives twelve 
>years in peace and certainly doesn't lose any sleep over his 
>supposed crime.

Orna:
Voldemort sleeps very peacefully, as much as his past killings are 
concerned, unless he is pained by his future plans.  
And I think Wormtail soul is teared – there don't seem to be left in 
him any human feelings like dignity, love, interests (chess, music, 
anything). He is just Voldemort's whining rat-servant, with some 
trace of his life-dept still flickering in him.

>Pippin:
>Anyone spying on Dumbledore would need to be good at occlumency,
>yet there's no hint that Peter has any such ability. His emotions 
>always seem very close to the surface. Both Voldemort and Harry can 
>read him like a book.

Orna:
Don't know - it's a problem. Unless he just didn't count as a 
suspect. He is a not much noticed fellow. But he should be nervous, 
and it didn't show. Or it did show, and was thought to reflect his 
natural cowardice. 

>Pippin:
>Wormtail the Spy supposedly captured Bertha Jorkins and brought
>her straight to Voldemort, but how could Petttigrew have done that?
>He was still searching for Voldemort when he arrived at the inn
>where he found Bertha, wasn't he? How did he know where to take her?

Orna:
Perhaps he knew then, that he was close enough to Voldemort, so he 
could risk looking for him with her around. If he thought he was 
close to Voldemort, he would be very happy to arrive with a welcome-
present. It is in his character, IMO.
Actually, Voldemort in GoF says that Bertha's capture was an 
unexpected brainwave from Wormtail.

>Pippin:
>Wormtail the Spy was supposedly a fanatical follower of Lord 
>Voldemort,expecting to become second in command once Voldemort was 
>in power, but Peter is shown cooperating only reluctantly. 

Orna:
I suppose that Wormtail could be a spy like Draco did his mission – 
he volunteered happily and enthusiastic and then was threatened to 
go on. In HBP I think we have the opportunity to see through Draco 
and Narcissa the way DE might work – it's very strong that they have 
no opportunity for second thoughts, and that it might turn into a 
very reluctantly done job – although at the same time a job done 
with all their powers – being frightened to death as it is.
Another part of Wormtail's reluctance might have to do with the life 
dept, which acts as a conflicting force within him. 

Orna