[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Vanquishing LV without killing him.

[Bee Chase]

No: HPFGUIDX 146418

    
> Luckdragon:
> Before his powers and his supporters LV was simply Tom Riddle. 
If LV were to lose either his magical ability or if everyone turned 
on him in unity and no longer feared him he would again become Tom 
Riddle. This way LV is "vanquished" without dying, and because Harry 
would be behind this either by reducing LV's powers through the 
destruction of the horcruxes or by convincing all of the magical 
community to turn against LV then the prophecy is met. LV would be 
dead, Tom Riddle would be a muggle ,if he doesn't end his own life, 
and Harry could get on with Life. Does this make sense.
> 
>

Kelleyann:

But the prophecy doesn't say Harry only has to "vanquish" Voldemort. 
The prophecy says "either must DIE (emphasis mine) at the hand of 
the other." It also says only one can live. So getting rid of 
Voldemorts powers isn't killing him. 

I would like to see Harry not kill LV, but not sure how that can 
happen.
   
  Luckdragon:
  I think the wording of the prophecy is the key here. You can take it literally or read between the lines. Obviously none of us know for sure how to take it, and I would never want to push my own thoughts on anyone. Lets look at the full prophecy.
   
  'The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hands of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ...'
    Maybe I am being too optimistic, but isn't it possible that if the Dark Lord were to lose his powers he would cease to exist as we know him? If he has no magic and no supporters and was no longer feared would he still be The Dark Lord? I believe the death mentioned would be of body if it were Harry to die at LV's hands, but a different kind of death for LV. Reading between the lines I don't believe the prophecy say's "only one can live", there is a difference between "living" and "surviving"; and why would Jo use the word "Vanquish" at all if she mean't kill. Jo uses the word "dies" to demonstrate the ending of the month of July as well, it can also be used to indicate the end of an era, or any significant change in rule or political leadership. I just think the wording is too confusing to be taken at face value.
   
   
  








		
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