Harry Vanquishing LV without killing him.

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 146539

> Geoff:
>
> I accept that Caesarean section can be considered to be "not of 
woman 
> born" but **no way** did Birnam wood come to Dunsinane.  I might 
just 
> as well pick up a branch in my local wood and claim that I am a 
tree -
>  which I'm not! So, as I said previously, I see the *outcomes* of 
the 
> Shakespeare prophecies as diametrically opposed. 

a_svirn:
Yes, I see your point, though I can't say I agree that the 
difference is that huge. In both cases Shakespeare is punning and 
quibbling with different (and literal) meanings of the word. 
Certainly Birnam Wood cannot march up the hill, but it's not like 
caesarean children are born of she-wolves. The distinction 
between "born of" and "ripped from" can only be described as petty 
or trivial, just like the punning on *wood* as `trees' and *wood* 
as `material, wood cut from trees' sounds a bit awkward. (Not that 
Macbeth noticed the pun. He took it as literally as possible – he 
was told that Birnam Wood came to Dunsisnane and believed it without 
question even as he railed at the messenger and called him names.)

>Thus, I think that 
> we could see a whole swathe of possible interpretations for that 
> confounded prophecy covering Harry and Voldemort.
>
a_svirn:
That's true. When I said that the meaning of the prophesy will 
probably be quite literal I meant that what Dumbledore interpreted 
as a figure of speech "die at the hand of another" (a trop) may turn 
out to be just another quibble.