The GoF Train Scene (was:Re: Humanity, Kant, Caricatures, and Draco)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 146742

> Betsy Hp:
> Well, no.  There was *no* refusal to honor Cedric at the Leaving 
> Feast.  Again, this is a popularly believed error, but it is still 
> an error.  Draco muttered something to Crabbe and Goyle when 
> Voldemort is mentioned.

Alla:

Draco stands up BEFORE it is mentioned that Cedric died at the hands 
of Lord Voldemort, so IMO he has no problem and no hesitation in 
taking sides. As soon as Dumbledore says that Cedric died at the 
hands of Voldemort, who returned, Draco starts muttering. The quote 
is too long to type, but it is not like Dumbledore talks about 
Voldemort separately from talking about Cedric. See p.722 of GoF 
paperback, am.ed.

> > >>a_svirn:
> > I am really curious how you've worked out that one. How do 
you    
> > even know that Draco is capable of compassion? Or are you 
working 
> > on the assumption that he simply cannot be as bad as he looks – 
> > ergo he must be shutting down and boxing off his inherent 
kindness?
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Draco loves his parents. (See HBP)  And since the "Draco is evil" 
> arguments have made up facts I really don't think I'm stretching 
> things to see something good in him <eg>.  I've never seen Draco 
as 
> an entirely bad child.  Haven't since we first meet him in PS/SS.  

Alla:

Yes, I understand the part of your argument that you never saw Draco 
as entirely bad child. What I don't understand is where in canon it 
is shown that Draco has compassion to anybody besides his parents. 
Voldemort loved his mother too. Does it make him a compassionate 
person? I am also not sure how " the made up facts" in "Draco is 
evil" arguments show that Draco is a compassionate person. 
What "made up" facts are those, by the way? I would like to know in 
order not to use them in my arguments :-)
I think I have enough of real ones :-)

JMO,

Alla, who goes to iron her hands right now