Remus, Sirius and Harry's desires for revenge WAS: Re: Spies, Lies and self-ful

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 146744

> > Pippin, 
regarding Lupin's and Sirius's plan to kill Peter in the 
> > Shrieking Shack:
> > Lupin was about to betray everything his closest friends 
believed 
> > in, everything for which  they had fought, suffered and died. 
It's a
> > poor way to honor their sacrifice. 
> 
> > Debbie:
> > But why does that make Lupin a traitor and Sirius not so?  
Sirius' 
> > obsession with killing Peter equally betrays what his closest 
> > friends believed in.  In fact, Sirius *invited* Lupin to join 
him in
> > killing Peter.  Is it the Azkaban effect -- Sirius' desire to 
kill 
> > is excused because he is reckless and crazed with anger, while 
Lupin
> > is too calm and reflective to be given credit for such feelings?
> 
> Christina:
> 
> Exactly, and you're not even taking into account Harry, who I'd 
argue
> shows the same desire for revenge, willingness to kill and injure
> (although he shows a lack of ability the first couple of times he
> tries), and betrayal of "everything his closest friends believed 
in."
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Alla:

Right, new day started here, so I can post this comment. :-)
I just wanted to interject briefly, that I am not concerned with 
Sirius desire for revenge, Lupin's desire for revenge or Harry's 
desire for revenge.

In fact, I would find it VERY strange if they reacted ANY 
differently to the abov described situations.

Now, first of all I actually want to thank Debbie for pointing out 
that Remus' feelings on the subject of dear Peter could be just 
intense as Sirius' were.

My parting of the ways with any possibility of ESE!Lupin ended with 
Sirius death and never came back, BUT I actually never considered 
that Remus might be just in as much shock as Sirius was. Yes, I  
excuse any recklessness and anger Sirius may have felt by 
the "Azkaban factor"  Reliving your worst memories for twelve years 
does not do person's psyche any good IMO and I think that Potters' 
murders and Peter's betrayal was right there on the top of the list 
of Sirius worst memories. Going back to Remus, even though I saw 
nothing strange in his desire to kill Peter, I also thought that he 
should have been able to deal at least a little bit better than 
Sirius was, since Remus was NOT in prison.

But the way Remus talks to Sirius also shows IMO person in shock and 
maybe he was never able to properly deal with what happened with 
Potters either. He after all IMO had nobody to help him deal with 
his grief and pain - no friends, no possibility of making new 
friends , since he had no paying jobs, etc. And here Wormtail shows 
up and resurrects from his supposed death. Talk about your world 
being REALLY turned upside down. Thank you, Debbie again.

And of course I am not concerned at all with Harry's desire for 
revenge. All of his running out and trying to cast Unforgivables 
happens right AFTER he witnessed murders of the two adults dearest 
to him, so I would question his mental health if he were to react 
any other way, except go and get the killer.

As I wrote yesterday, Harry's attempts to cast Unforgivables should 
concern me, but for some reason it does not.

If Harry would have started casting Unforgivables on Sirius' killer 
or Dumbledore' killer when time passed, THAT I would be concerned 
with.

But we saw in the Shack that Harry IS able to keep his cool when he 
asseses situation that happened long time ago.

So, again I am pretty confident that when Harry meets Snape next 
time he won't be throwing unforgivables on dear Severus. Some very 
bad words though  - I would love to read about.

And most importantly JKR seems strangely unconcerned with Harry's 
failed Crucios and seems IMO much more concerned with the curses 
Harry tries from Prince's book, but in that instance I hope Harry 
learned his lesson well.

Right, so to make a long story short, I see no cause for concern 
either in Remus and Sirius desire to kill Wormtail  or even more in 
Harry's desire to hurt Bella and Snape. Harry does NOT have a 
benefit of time to work through his feelings yet, when he goes after 
the killers. What Remus and Sirius wanted to do of course should not 
have happened,  and it did not, but the desire for revenge was IMO 
perfectly understandable and does not make any of them evil. Human - 
yes. Evil - I doubt it very much.

JMO,

Alla