Remus, Sirius and Harry's desires for revenge WAS: Re: Spies, Lies and self-ful

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 146760

Alla:
> Now, first of all I actually want to thank Debbie for pointing out 
> that Remus' feelings on the subject of dear Peter could be just 
> intense as Sirius' were.

Pippin:
So, um,  Lupin wanted to kill Peter  because he was so *traumatized.* 
Fans have been telling themselves that for years. Only trouble is,
there's no canon.

Sirius had forgotten reason, law and morality. He was so obsessed 
with killing Pettigrew  that he cut up a portrait, invaded Gryffindor 
tower with a knife,  and  physically attacked two students,
breaking Ron's leg and choking Harry. He was far beyond
questioning whether his behavior was right or wrong, as was
Harry when he went in pursuit of Bella.

 Are you saying there's something in canon to show that Lupin 
was *ever*  in a similar  state of mind? Vengeance-mad,
nursing old traumas to a murderous Snapelike  rage? 

On the contrary, Lupin tells us that he has been debating
with himself about whether he should tell Dumbledore
what he knew about Sirius. Obviously he had a conscience
to consult, though he didn't listen to it.  In the Shack his is 
the calmest voice, as if, the narrator notes, Hermione had 
spotted a problem in an experiment about grindylows. 

The most excited he gets is "very tense" and that's when
he first enters. After Pettigrew is transformed, and
Lupin sets eyes on this supposed traitor and murderer,
does Lupin display loathing and anger? Not a bit. 

His voice is "light and casual", then he speaks "more coldly"
"evenly" and "grimly."

As they're about to kill Peter, Black is shaking, he is described
as having "a terrible fury in his face." Not Lupin.

"You should have realized," said Lupin quietly, "if Voldemort 
didn't kill you, we would. Good-bye, Peter."

I don't really see Lupin losing his cool here. And who is the 'we'
Lupin is referring to, since he must know that the Order, and Sirius
himself in better times, are opposed to killing? Why should
Peter have expected to be killed? Well, Sirius answered that
question for us. It's Voldemort's old supporters that Peter
was afraid of, they're the ones who want him dead.


Pippin