Snape again

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No: HPFGUIDX 146870

Karen:

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> One thing really struck me tonight and that is that Snape *is* 
truly 
> unhinged when it comes to  any of the Marauder boys. Sure, he 
didn't 
> hear the end of things, but he heard the *real* story of what 
happened 
> when he was tricked and that Sirius was the one to blame. That 
does not 
> keep him from feeling the same as he always has about Remus.
> 
> What I see clearly here is that this blinding rage is probably the 
key 
> weapon that LV used to get to Snape, who was probably a pretty big 
> recruit on the old DE list. And I suspect that this blinding, 
> uninhibited anger at the Marauders is merely the set of people 
that 
> took the stopper out of his repressed abusive past. The straw that 
> broke the camels back, as it were, for all other emotional baggage 
he 
> carried (similarly to how Snape has become the unfortunate hate 
vacuum 
> for Harry over every loss in his life. I mean, effectively, Harry 
has 
> about the same amount of reason to blame Snape for every loved one 
he 
> has lost as Snape has for blaming the Marauders for every 
indignity he 
> ever suffered; LV just thinks everyone owes him because he's a 
gift to 
> wizard kind.) We know from HBP that Snape is really gifted. We 
also 
> know from other things that he is gifted on many levels. 
Legilmens, 
> occulmens, potions....and he was a psyche that was ripe for 
picking.
> 
> He's almost like a distorted image of Harry and by dint of that a 
third 
> version of LV in a way. Both Harry and Snape were raised in 
abusive 
> environments, which, makes them really pretty quiet and self-
effacing, 
> at least publicly. 

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Alla:

Hi, Karen. I really like your posts whether I agree with them or not 
and in general I will probably agree with you that there are COULD 
BE enough similarities between Harry and Snape upbringing, that 
Snape could be considered Harry's mirror image, although I believe 
that there seem to be more similarities between Snape and Voldemort 
and between Voldemort and Harry than between Harry and Snape, but 
certainly what you write is possible.

Except that I think that after HBP the possibility of Snape NOT 
having abusive past increased A LOT. Eileen was a witch, so isn't it 
possible that that scene which we all saw in Snape's memories was 
ONE incident when Tobias learned that his wife is a witch and his 
son is a wizard? To give the proper credit, I think I read this 
argument for the first time at June Diamanti's LJ (I think).
Yes, one time abuse IS stil an abuse, but really IMO shock and anger 
which Tobias may have experienced if Eileen did not tell him who she 
is, MAY have forced him to react violently. It does NOT IMO 
necessarily show that Snape had an abusive past. he may hve 
witnessed ONE altercation between his parents during his childhood 
and remembered it well, because it was UNIQUE.

Who knows, maybe after that altercation Tobias and Eileen made 
amends and lived happily enough.

And of course I feel that we missing A LOT of information about 
Snape and Marauders relationship. YES, we have one scene of ugly 
bullying, BUT we also have a knowledge know that even in that scene 
Snape's curse was used against him. No, no, no it does not make the 
scene less ugly, but IMO as I said in the past it may foreshadow 
some interesting revelations.

So, what am I trying to say? While I certainly see similarities 
between Snape and Harry, IMO we cannot analogise their reactions to 
the past simply because we don't have enough information about 
Snape's past.

As to blame, well I know that you said downthread that this is not 
about justification, but I agree with Allie - I think the analogy 
may fall, IF Harry has enough reasons to blame Snape for everything 
and IMO Harry certainly does.



JMO of course,

Alla