[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape again

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 146871


On Sunday, January 22, 2006, at 08:03 PM, dumbledore11214 wrote:
>
> Alla:

> I suppose
> Except that I think that after HBP the possibility of Snape NOT
> having abusive past increased A LOT. Eileen was a witch, so isn't it
> possible that that scene which we all saw in Snape's memories was
> ONE incident when Tobias learned that his wife is a witch and his
> son is a wizard? To give the proper credit, I think I read this
> argument for the first time at June Diamanti's LJ (I think).
> Yes, one time abuse IS stil an abuse, but really IMO shock and anger
> which Tobias may have experienced if Eileen did not tell him who she
> is, MAY have forced him to react violently. It does NOT IMO
> necessarily show that Snape had an abusive past. he may hve
> witnessed ONE altercation between his parents during his childhood
> and remembered it well, because it was UNIQUE.


kchuplis:
I suppose I think that a lot of Snape's behaviour is explained if that 
was not an isolated incident. Also, in "booktime" you only have (just 
as in "movie time") so much time to give background. A scene such as 
this is one device an author (or director) would use. No, we don't know 
for sure, but it seems like a logical conclusion.

Alla:
> And of course I feel that we missing A LOT of information about
> Snape and Marauders relationship. YES, we have one scene of ugly
> bullying, BUT we also have a knowledge know that even in that scene
> Snape's curse was used against him. No, no, no it does not make the
> scene less ugly, but IMO as I said in the past it may foreshadow
> some interesting revelations.
>

kchuplis
True, entirely true, but I guess that I feel again as though this is a 
device, like using snapshots that are "time capsules" to give us 
background. Kind of like little ultimate moments. Certainly Snape had 
to have gained some new facets to Harry (not that he really cared, but 
we don't know because by THIS time, they have both given each other 
legitimate reasons to rub each other raw) that he may not have known 
previously. It's got to give one better understanding of those people. 
Even single incidents that are really powerful can affect us in major 
ways. They can end up influencing even the brightest of people for the 
rest of their lives.

alla:
> So, what am I trying to say? While I certainly see similarities
> between Snape and Harry, IMO we cannot analogise their reactions to
> the past simply because we don't have enough information about
> Snape's past.

kchuplis
Ah, but I am not saying they are mirror images, but like distorted 
images of each other. I'm not sure I got that across.

> Alla:
> As to blame, well I know that you said downthread that this is not
> about justification, but I agree with Allie - I think the analogy
> may fall, IF Harry has enough reasons to blame Snape for everything
> and IMO Harry certainly does.
>

kchuplis:
I do think Harry  has as much reason for animosity to Snape as Snape 
does over the marauders (and certainly after the tower, probably more - 
but consider, Snape could have been Harry's best friend and that scene 
would have been no less hateful or catastrophic, maybe even more so). 
The one area I rather disagree is with Sirius. IMO, Sirius would have 
been there at the ministry to get Harry whether Snape had been goading 
him for a year or not. I think Harry thinks the same thing. It just 
makes him even angrier at Snape.