How to make Remus look evil , when he is not /Draco and Harry

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 147126

 
> >> Pippin:
> > Upset?! I daresay he was upset. And that's an excuse for murder, is
it? Funny, you don't seem to be so lenient where Snape is 
> concerned. Wasn't his world being turned upside down too? 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> No, Pippin, it is not an excuse for murder, but IMO it sure is an 
> excuse for attempt to avenge his dead friends and one alive, who 
> suffered unjustly for twelve years, because the traitor framed him. 
> IMO of course.
> 

Pippin:
So why was he trying to murder/execute Peter, if his desire for vengeance
is no excuse? What's wrong with the dementors, or taking Peter 
to the castle? Sirius himself suggested that before. 


Alla:
> And I am not sure what are you talking about "Snape's world being 
> turned upside down"? Are you talking about Tower events or Shrieking 
> Shack?

Pippin:
I am talking about the Shrieking Shack. Snape has just heard two
men whom he thinks are murderers trying to feed Harry and co. some
cock and bull ( or should I say stag and rat) story, about being
animagi, and  Sirius not working for Voldemort, in the midst of which 
Lupin admits that he has been taking advantage of Dumbledore's trust, 
just as he did when he was a boy. 

That in itself would be enough to make DDM!Snape furious. But it would 
be staggering for Snape to hear that Sirius was innocent, especially 
if he tried to warn James not to trust Sirius, and that was the reason 
another SK was picked, so he goes into violent denial about everything. 

Even so, he only threatens to call the dementors, and only after 
Sirius offers to go quietly to the castle (like he has a choice, with
Snape's wand on him. ) Remember, Voldemort is trying to steal 
something from it.

> Pippin;
> <SNIP> 
> >And that reminds me, don't you think it's strange that
> > Snape, who never misses a chance to gloat, didn't gloat over 
> > Dumbledore? If he was really filled with hatred and revulsion, 
> > wouldn't he have made a speech about it? Gloated a little? 
> > Basked in the glory? Can you imagine Snape missing a chance
> > to do that? What could have come over him? ;-)
> 
> Alla:
> 
> No, Pippin, I don't find it strange at all, if what I believe is 
> true - namely that  the underlying reason for Snape killing was 
> saving his own life ( I don't know what he is planning to do with 
> it - to serve bad or good guys), then Snape did not have TIME to 
> gloat. He wanted to leave Hogwarts and fast, before Order may 
> capture him or kill him. So, nope, I think it is very believable.
> 

Pippin:
No time for one teeny weeny gloat? Not even a "So long, sucker!"
before he blew Dumbledore away? What was the rush?
The Order was *losing* the battle on the stairs, that's 
why they sent for Snape in the first place. Of course, if you mean
that Snape had to hurry away from the tower in order to call
off the DE's before they did any more damage, I agree with you.
:-)

Alla:
> As I said in the past - my RL metaphor for Draco's prejudice is anti-
> Semitism ( and I know it is different for everybody), from my 
> experience people who spitted the what I see as equivalent 
> for "Mudblood" in the books did not just say it because they thought 
> that they are Okay with just saying things about Jews. They wanted 
> Jews to be shined from good education, good jobs, etc, etc and of 
> course they wanted Jews just leave  the country . I don't see 
> Draco's attacks as blabbering of the little boy, I see it as his 
> ideological program, sort of where he stands on that issue and I 
> find it the most horrible verbal attacks in the books - NOT "Weasley 
> the king" or 'Potter stinks", but his "Mudblood" and they will be 
> killed ( Mudbloods, I mean)

Pippin:
Speaking as  a Jew also (and not that I speak for other Jews), I see
a difference between people who use those words and are deeply
involved in the horrible things you mention, and people who use the words
but have never met or spoken to a Jew in their lives, that they're aware
of.  Robeshop!Draco is in the second category, IMO. It seems he's had
a very sheltered upbringing. He knows he's going to run into the
Wrong Sort at Hogwarts, but I can't imagine his family have let him
meet them before. There's no objective reality tied to what he's saying, 
no real person he's thinking of when he talks about the Wrong Sort. 

It doesn't make what he says any better or less hurtful, but he's
not speaking as someone who's actually done these things.

He can't be involved in shunning or anything else as yet, because he
hasn't had the opportunity.  Of course he does get the opportunity and
he's raring to go. But it isn't quite the way he imagined it. He's been
told that Muggleborns don't belong in the WW because they make 
inferior wizards, and yet Hermione beats him in every class. He tells
himself this is the result of favoritism, but his father won't accept
this excuse. He's angry about that, and turns the anger on Hermione
instead of on his father where it belongs. He wishes she would die.

But death is another thing he had no objective experience of (he can't 
see thestrals) and it turned out not to be as easy to kill as he'd imagined. 
So now he's been forced to realize that there *was* no objective reality
behind one of his beliefs, and that may lead him, possibly, to question
the others, instead of  being blindly angry at Muggleborns because
they exist.

Pippin