Hermione dead and MAJOR SPOILER to "The Sixth Sense" movie

[allies426]

No: HPFGUIDX 147168

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> Funnily enough,
> `Hermione-who-was-suddenly-not-under-the-books-anymore' was cursed
> moments later, and Harry and Neville are terrified, thinking she
might
> be dead. The readers who feared for Hermione getting hurt by the
heavy
> books fear for her, AGAIN. Fortunately, she has a pulse.
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> Isn't it funny she had two possible death (or injury) scenarios
during
> eight paragraphs? Isn't it odd her fiery crosses had faded from the
> doors when Harry gets to the circular room, although we `know'
she's
> alive because Neville felt a pulse? Also note that, apart from that
> pulse, Hermione never shows any sign of life again in that chapter;
> and she is left in the Brain Room, with Ginny and Luna who are both
> unconscious and Ron who is attacked by the brain; we are
specifically
> informed of what room Dumbledore steps from some time later, when
he
> enters the Death Room, and it's the Brain Room.
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> I suggest the reason why Hermione shouts `Silencio!' so suddenly,
and
> seems to have crawled out from under the book pile (and stood up,
and
> got hold of her wand
) so uncannily fast is the existence of two
> Hermiones in that precise moment in time, in that little office by
the
> Time Room.
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> I don't know_ and that's why I can't call this idea a proper
theory_
> if the second Hermione, the first one obviously being
> present-time-Hermione, a Hermione-from-the-past or from-the-future.
> I'm inclined to think she's from the future, but I'm really really
bad
> at Time Travel logistics, as they make my head hurt.
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> I don't know which Hermione died_ was it present-time-Hermione,
> crushed under the books and left unattended for a long time,
possibly
> the cause of death being a head injury? Was it the
> Time-travelling-Hermione, killed by the purple curse that passed
right
> across her chest, and Neville didn't really get a pulse after all
or
> she died a few minutes after, while Harry carried her?
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Allie now:

Interesting theory. I also wondered about the heavy bookcase
falling on her. Then again, she's magical, so they're tough to
kill.

I have to work it out the Time Travel bit with details to see if it
really works.

Scenario 1:

Hermione from the past arrives. Let's say she's from the previous
year, otherwise she might look too young. We'll call her GoF
Hermione.

1a. Present-time Hermione dies, and GoF Hermione takes her place,
going forward in time. This means that at some point during the
Triwizard Tournament, Hermione vanishes to the DoM. Since she is
then going forward in time, she never returns to the Triwizard
Tournament. We know from canon that Hermione has not
disappeared. :) So it doesn't work this way.

1b. GoF Hermione dies, and present-time Hermione goes forward in
time. Again, this would require 4th year Hermione vanishing and
never returning. Also, what would be the point of this scenario?

Conclusion: It couldn't be Hermione from the past that arrives in
the DoM.

Scenario 2:

Hermione from the future arrives. Let's call her Book 7 Hermione
(B7H).

2a. Present-time Hermione dies. That's it, that's the end of the
story. Because if present time Hermione dies, she can't go forward
in time to the point where she'll use a time turner.

2b. B7H dies. Present-time Hermione goes forward, lives two more
years, uses a time turner, and then dies in the DoM. She would
disappear forever as soon as she used the time turner. In order to
make this plausible, there would have to be some BIG compelling
reason for B7H to go to the DoM in the first place, some event that
she wanted to change. (Do we assume that she knows she's going to
die there?) Anyway, what event happens in that room that she
changed by coming back? Anything could have happened, Dolohov was
just yelling their location to the other DE's. Maybe the DE's would
have arrived and killed Harry if Hermione hadn't silenced him.
Harry dying would really be the only thing important enough to
change, since he's the Chosen One.

SO: the theory ONLY works if Hermione from the future arrives and
then dies in the DoM, and the only reasons for her to do this is to
save Harry. Hmm... this requires Harry to be dead in one timeline,
up until the point where Hermione time travels to save him 2 years
later, creating an alternate timeline. I don't think I believe it.  
(And I now have a picture in my head of Christopher Lloyd at a 
chalkboard showing a diagram to Michael J. Fox...)

Also, to make it at-all plausible, you have to believe that the time
travelling Hermione either arrived right into that room OR ran into
it at the exact split second to shove herself out from under the
bookcase before it falls. Hermione-under-the-bookcase has to be the
one who dies, because we know that Hermione-who-received-the-purple-
curse survives; it is for this curse that Madame Pomfrey is treating
her (unless she's in on it too, but we won't go there).  And Harry 
didn't see the 2nd Hermione arrive. I think the whole thing is just 
too complicated to work.

That little office is interesting, though. All of those fascinating
rooms around, and they battle it out in an OFFICE? Why is it
there? Why would JKR mention it if it weren't important?


Allie
(I am one of those How-did-Harry-cast-the-Patronus-in-the-future-if-
nobody-saved-him-in-the-past? people, BTW)